Hi Steve, What's "SA"? Sonora? The usual abbreviation is "Son", the two-letter code is "SO". Or are you referring to something else?
Frank --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Fri, Nov 12, 2021, 4:20 PM Steve Smith <sasm...@swcp.com> wrote: > I have a friend who cut her teeth as a lawyer (finance) in Hong Kong maybe > 15 years ago... she has since returned to Australia (via a gig in Japan) > and *hates* what is happening in HK and can list endlessly the > friends/colleagues whose lives have been damaged/disrupted by the changes > there. > > This being said, however, it *does* seem like what is happening there is > the end of a century plus long occupation/colonization. She and her > friends/colleagues are all professional/merchant class and none are > ethnically Chinese. Not surprising the changes are mostly downside to them? > > Juarez, Tijuana, Nogales SA all used to feel like US colonies in many > ways. They were "returned" to MX proper to some degree by the War on > Drugs and the Drug Cartel action and now becoming portals for attempted > immigration from yet more southerly/impoverished countries. I have a > lifelong friend who used to run the Zenith assembly plant in Agua Prieta > SA... she would claim that their presence there for several decades was a > huge boon to the people there, as was their strategic (for Zenith, not the > local economy) withdrawal. Of course she saw it that way. My > brother-in-law who recently retired as the longest-tenured employee (~50 > years) of Freeport McMorran (who bought him up when they bought up Phelps > Dodge) would insist that it is all "upside" for the people who once lived > on the landscape where their mega pit-mines were developed and where their > private armies (FPM,not PD) were in charge of all the necessary "rousting" > to get and keep those mines running/expanding/profit-maximized. > > But back to Nick's point (or to yet another of my tangents from his > point)... the Buddhist phrase "World as battleground, world as trap, > world as lover, world as self" seems relevant? If we consider these > contexts *only* as traps and battlegrounds, that is pretty much what they > will be. Stephen G through his former (and some present) work and familial > relations in China has chose to *also* look at them (country, people, > government) through the lenses of "Lover" and "Self)? > > > On 11/12/21 12:56 PM, Edward Angel wrote: > > We were in Taiwan during their first truly democratic election. The U.S. > media was filled with dire predictions of imminent war. The reality was > that no one in Taiwan was worried about an attack. China and Taiwan, in > spite of the rhetoric, were deeply coupled economically and war would be > disastrous for both sides. The only evidence the Taiwanese newspapers > reported in as a result of the “tensions” was an increase in the number of > prostitutes arriving in Taiwan from Macao and Hong Kong. However, we did > note that a foreign tourist was arrested for taking down an election banner > as a souvenir which was regarded as serious offense. I doubt things are > much different now. > > We also spent time in Hong Kong just before and just after it going back > to China. For a while not much changed and there were restrictions that > prevented mainland Chinese from entering Hong Kong. At that time, China was > very dependent on Hong Kong as its economic outlet to the rest of the world > and didn’t want to threaten that status. It’s very different now as China > has developed many other outlets and consequently they are willing to treat > Hong Kong like the rest of China. > > Ed > _______________________ > > Ed Angel > > Founding Director, Art, Research, Technology and Science Laboratory > (ARTS Lab) > Professor Emeritus of Computer Science, University of New Mexico > > 1017 Sierra Pinon > Santa Fe, NM 87501 > 505-984-0136 (home) an...@cs.unm.edu > 505-453-4944 (cell) http://www.cs.unm.edu/~angel > > On Nov 12, 2021, at 12:02 PM, Stephen Guerin <stephen.gue...@simtable.com> > wrote: > > Nick, > > > Is Hong Kong not being digested as we speak? Is pressure not increasing > on the Taiwanese? > > An orthogonal perspective is healing and unification post-occupation and > aggression by foreign powers. ie: > > - North/South Vietnam > - Manchuria/China > - East/West Germany > - North/South Korea > > I am concerned about US military buildup in Taiwan > <https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/taiwan-china-us-marines/2021/10/08/20378918-27d8-11ec-8739-5cb6aba30a30_story.html> > after agreeing to one china policy > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-China_policy> in 1979. How did we feel > about USSR flexing its muscle in Cuba? > > -Stephen > > 这就是你想让我说的吗？ 我们现在可以在中国推出我们的软件吗？ > > .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: > 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ > 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ > > > > > .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > un/subscribe <http://bit.ly/virtualfriamun/subscribe> > http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: > 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ > 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ > > > .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: > 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ > 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ >
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