Well, Hywel, bless his soul, clearly knew what electrons want--to be in a lower energy state.
--- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Fri, Oct 29, 2021, 6:41 PM Roger Critchlow <r...@elf.org> wrote: > I was asking what categories, eg monads, comonads, all these abstractions > on the abstractions of mathematics, want, since that might help me > understand how they see their purpose, given that I was already being asked > about the purpose of a platonic solid. > > I hadn't thought about the prehistoric models of platonic solids crafted > in rock, they can have purposes like other material objects. Nor had I > considered making the jump from abstract mathematical constructs to groups > of people sharing characteristics. > > And I was being silly, but I was provoked. > > -- rec -- > > On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 1:36 PM Marcus Daniels <mar...@snoutfarm.com> > wrote: > >> Will AIs want the same things I want? I think Roger was just being >> silly, but `categories’ could be wrangled into to some vaguely adjacent >> thing like typed computer programs for autonomous control systems in a >> robot. Let’s call it a careful robot. Will all intelligent life be like >> humans and will they want love and recognition? Why must that be the >> case? Why must it be true for humans? Why does HR assume I even want a >> safe space? I’m reminded of George Packer’s Free America, Smart America, >> Real America and Just America. None of them really gave a damn about the >> others as far as I can tell. It is just a model, of course. >> >> >> >> >> https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2021/07/george-packer-four-americas/619012/ >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> *On Behalf Of * >> thompnicks...@gmail.com >> *Sent:* Thursday, October 28, 2021 11:30 AM >> *To:* 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' < >> friam@redfish.com> >> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] we are lost >> >> >> >> Ok, So, Marcus, >> >> >> >> > What do categories want? >> >> >> >> Love, recognition and safety? Someone phone HR and get the ball rolling >> on a new policy! >> >> >> >> Spoken from the high perch of Irony. Irony is like wormwood, delightful >> in small doses but ultimately toxic. Do we not all want love, recognition, >> and safety? Do we also want excitement and challenge. Go figure! Some >> of us crave more of the one; some more of the other. Given the >> contradiction between those things, can we expect the right balance be >> guaranteed for each and every one of us, for all time? No. Of course >> not. But is that reason to mock human striving toward these goals? Or to >> mock Utilitarian attempts to facilitate their achievement? No. I don’t >> think so. Irony is a guilty pleasure. Even though I use it and enjoy it, >> I have to admit that it is a an abdication and fails as a policy. >> >> >> >> Nick >> >> >> >> Nick Thompson >> >> thompnicks...@gmail.com >> >> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> On Behalf Of Marcus Daniels >> Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 8:18 AM >> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com >> > >> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] we are lost >> >> >> >> >> >> > So, not only do we attribute teleology to inanimate objects, weather, >> animals, and people, but also to the platonic solids. Which probably leads >> to: >> >> > >> >> > What do categories want? >> >> >> >> Love, recognition and safety? Someone phone HR and get the ball rolling >> on a new policy! >> >> >> >> Marcus >> >> >> >> .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . >> >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> >> Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe >> http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >> >> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ >> >> archives: >> >> 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ >> >> 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ >> >> .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam >> un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ >> archives: >> 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ >> 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ >> > > .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: > 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ > 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ >
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