"episodic personality". MMMMMM. New idea, to me. n
Nick Thompson thompnicks...@gmail.com https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ -----Original Message----- From: Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> On Behalf Of Marcus Daniels Sent: Thursday, September 2, 2021 11:05 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Liberal dilemmas A potential benefit of the episodic personality type is the ability to grieve failures and move on. > On Sep 2, 2021, at 7:50 AM, uǝlƃ ☤>$ <geprope...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Well, I do feel pity for Dave and the obsolete people/modes being left > behind. Nostalgia is difficult. On his deathbed, with so much time to sit and > think about dying, my dad finally admitted that his "type A personality" was > an artifact of the circumstances within which he was reared ('30s). And it > wasn't at all successful under the circumstances/times in which me and my > sister were reared. My sister took something more like Marcus' stance, an > unvarnished "get with the program". I took a more apathetic stance, "you're > gonna to die soon, anyway, at which your pain will end." > > I feel the same way when I see lions at the zoo, once glorious masters on the > Serengeti, now pathetic creatures burdened with claws and teeth and nobody to > fight with. It's truly sad. But it's also terrifying to me. Am *I* capable of > recognizing the signal when it comes my way? Or am I destined to be a scared > little snowflake, hiding in my nostalgia? ... aggrieved, petulant, and > burdened with my teeth and claws? > > I took a morning walk to downtown Olympia right after the pandemic. I > walk/run around 6am. As I was returning, walking, a man in a black gaiter, > sunglasses, and black hoodie, covered so well I couldn't see any of his flesh > ... hell, I don't even know if it was a man. Was walking toward me. I didn't > think much of it at the time. There was a new building across the street with > some weird structure (e.g. a kitchen on the 1st floor with no other rooms > attached ... WTF?). So I crossed to peer through the various floor to ceiling > plate glass windows to see if I could figure out what it was for? > > When I was done peering into the windows, I noticed the man on the other side > of the street, stopped, staring at me. That scared me. Did he intend harm? > Was he offended that I crossed the street? Should I go back across and say > something? ... well, a couple of women walked past me audibly wondering what > this building was for and that distracted me. I talked to them for a minute. > And when I looked back the guy was gone. > > Have I become just like the scared little old lady that lives next door? > Afraid of progress? Afraid of diversity? Scared of my own shadow? I honestly > don't know. > > >> On 9/2/21 7:22 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: >> The signal to the welfare rancher is “Find a new line of work and quit your >> whining.” >> >>>> On Sep 2, 2021, at 7:05 AM, Eric Charles <eric.phillip.char...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> "The fact that you agree with the policies and actions does not mitigate >>> the harm caused." >>> >>> This seems to be a recurring theme in conversations I am having recently, >>> in several venues. I make a factual claim about damages caused by a >>> policy/action/decision. Someone objects to the factual claim because they >>> agree with policy/action/decision. I'm never quite sure where to go in the >>> conversation after that. >>> >>> Like, I saw someone post, non-sarcastically, a meme claiming that Biden's >>> withdrawal from Afghanistan was more peaceful that Trump's final days in >>> office. When I pointed out how obviously wrong that was, the >>> otherwise-sensible-seeming person couldn't do anything but insist that >>> withdrawing was the right thing to do. Like... come on man... I get that... >>> but what does that have to do with pretending things went well, or were >>> "peaceful"?!? >>> >>> So, like... yeah... you might agree with restrictions on the uses of public >>> lands... but that doesn't mean you need to pretend it has no negative >>> consequences for individuals. Just own that those harms will happen, as >>> part of your supporting the policy. >>> <mailto:echar...@american.edu> >>> >>> >>>> On Wed, Sep 1, 2021 at 8:09 PM Prof David West <profw...@fastmail.fm >>>> <mailto:profw...@fastmail.fm>> wrote: >>> >>> __ >>> Marcus, you seem to miss my point; perhaps just baiting me. >>> >>> Honors at Highlands: this was part of a policy, stated publicly at a >>> Board of Regents meeting, "Highlands exists to provide degrees to Hispanic >>> students that could never obtain one at any other university. Honors >>> degrees, curricula, and courses are racist reasons that students from >>> northern New Mexico cannot succeed at other universities and, as such, >>> cannot be tolerated at Highlands." >>> >>> Posters: woman in question was a 30+ year old grad student (we shared >>> the same advisor). The posters were in my office for my enjoyment, >>> purchased at the university bookstore. Meeting was held in my office at her >>> request. They were prints of Dali work considered "great art." The human >>> figures are totally androgynous as well as being distorted in typical Dali >>> style. Her motive for filing the complaint was, she stated in an email a >>> year later, to discredit me with our advisor who she thought showed a >>> preference for my work over hers. The HR office, because of their >>> "enlightened liberal policies" accepted her complaint on its face, no >>> investigation; as the same policy stated one was not needed because, as a >>> male and academic staff, I had no defensible position to consider. >>> >>> Ranchers: this particular family took 'stewardship' seriously and made >>> hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of improvements to public land. but >>> my point is simply that bureaucrats, kowtowing to liberal environmental >>> lobbyists set policy without regard to any 'facts on the ground' or any >>> science, simply on liberal philosophy of how things "should be." >>> >>> Access: I too am a taxpayer. There are some very nice hot springs on BLM >>> land near by. They are maintained and upgraded by a volunteer public group >>> (pretty informal, word of mouth kind of stuff). Being old and feeble, my >>> access is increasing dependent on the use of an ATV. BLM policy dictates >>> constant reduction of motorized transport on that land, so it will not be >>> long before my access is de facto denied. This is a personal example of a >>> "woke" policy on increasing wilderness designations thereby denying access >>> to elderly, handicapped, and otherwise marginally abled. >>> >>> You asked for examples of liberal actions/policies that caused harm, to >>> me specifically, but by implication in general. These are tangible >>> examples. The fact that you agree with the policies and actions does not >>> mitigate the harm caused. >>> >>> davew >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Sep 1, 2021, at 4:33 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: >>>> >>>> Welfare ranchers, indeed. The rest of us have to constantly modernize >>>> our skills.. But freeloading off the public land and environment that’s >>>> “multigenerational” and must be preserved? Why? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Marcus >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com >>>> <mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com>> *On Behalf Of *Frank Wimberly >>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 1, 2021 3:17 PM >>>> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group >>>> <friam@redfish.com <mailto:friam@redfish.com>> >>>> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Liberal dilemmas >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I owned 40 acres in Torrance County, NM which was adjacent to a >>>> national forest. Ranchers were charged $1.21 per acre per year to use the >>>> NF land for grazing. I could have made $48 per year by charging a little >>>> less than the feds. My property taxes were $40 per year. >>>> >>>> --- >>>> Frank C. Wimberly >>>> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, >>>> Santa Fe, NM 87505 >>>> >>>> 505 670-9918 >>>> Santa Fe, NM >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Sep 1, 2021, 1:50 PM Marcus Daniels <mar...@snoutfarm.com >>>> <mailto:mar...@snoutfarm.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Dave wrote: >>>> >>>> < More significant: I have had my curricular materials censured and >>>> have had my job threatened on a number of occasions because it was deemed >>>> inconsistent with liberal values. Ironically, many of these events >>>> occurred when I was teaching at a Catholic university where I could, with >>>> impunity, challenge religious orthodoxy, but not liberal woke snowflake >>>> orthodoxy. I was once censured by the University of Wisconsin HR >>>> department because a female student filed a sexual harassment complaint >>>> because I had a meeting with her in my office where I had three Salvador >>>> Dali prints on my wall and "she was forced to look at breasts the entire >>>> meeting." Her complaint was upheld because neither the content of the Dali >>>> prints nor my intent or rational for having them in my office mattered — >>>> only her subjective feelings. At Highlands I was forbidden to offer Honors >>>> courses or any opportunities to earn extra credit in a class by tackling >>>> extra hard problems (these were software >>>> courses) because doing so was racist and unfair — simply >>>> because more non-Hispanic students obtained the extra credit or the >>>> honors designation. > >>>> >>>> So the university had the expectation that before advanced classes >>>> could be offered, there needed to an unbiasing of the candidate pool for >>>> those classes by adequately training everyone (every demographic) that was >>>> potentially feeding in to them? Ok. If the university wants to do this, >>>> or incentivized to do this, it is really just a matter of private/public >>>> strategy. If you don't want to work for a university that has this >>>> "fair" strategy, then don't. As for subjecting young students to >>>> strange imagery, I can see why one would not want to do that. Just as it >>>> would strange for a female professor to dress like a hooker. >>>> Organizations can have dress codes. Don't be a fool, universities are >>>> just another kind of business. You mess with the business, you will have >>>> a problem. It would be better if your department heads were "upstanders" >>>> and just said, "Hey Dave, how is this art helping your students?" >>>> >>>> < Not personal, but a relative: multi-generational ranch >>>> with Federal grazing right. Hundreds of thousands of dollars over >>>> the years were spent enhancing the Federal land, containment ponds >>>> for water that reduced erosion and flash flooding without >>>> diminishing runoff contribution to watershed; planting of native >>>> grasses, elimination of deadwood, etc. etc. End result was the >>>> ability to safely and sustainably graze X number of cattle. About >>>> five years ago, BLM issued a new policy dictating the maximum >>>> carrying capacity of Federal lands. The math was based on lowest >>>> common denominator. The policy was, at the behest of preservation >>>> groups, written with the specific intent to minimize and eventually >>>> eliminate the use of public lands for grazing. (Also mining and >>>> motorized recreational vehicle use.) Bottom line, allotment was >>>> taken away because it violated the numbers — not because there was >>>> any evidence of actual harm. > >>>> >>>> I'm a taxpayer. Why should I want off road vehicles or cows on >>>> federal land? I don't care about either of those things. This is a >>>> weird entitlement that these folks have in mind. As far as I was >>>> concerned the Bundy principals in Oregon deserved to be met by A-10s. > > -- > ☤>$ uǝlƃ > > - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn > GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe > http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . 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