Nick, it would be politically insensitive / incorrect for me to discuss America's blacks in the context of, say, white plantation owners, "field hands" and "house n**s" (not sure if I can use this word online nowadays) which parallel India's untouchables or Japan's Burakumin /Eta societal structures.
Was it coincidence that the USA's most deadly COVID hotspots were unhygienic meat "packing" factories which employ mostly lower income blacks / browns who were compelled to either work or lose their meagre medical benefits ? Sarbajit On Thu, Aug 26, 2021 at 9:04 AM <thompnicks...@gmail.com> wrote: > Sarbajit, > > > > I am both fascinated and baffled by your note, and hope you will say > more. I am in the thrall of a book entitled CASTE which makes a parallel > between the untouchables and American blacks. So for you to associate high > class with untouchability is disorienting. I gather that the notion of > Untouchables as a low caste includes a notion of Non-touchers as a high > class? I suppose it must, but I had never really thought about that. > > > > Nick > > > > Nick Thompson > > thompnicks...@gmail.com > > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > > > > *From:* Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> *On Behalf Of *Sarbajit Roy > *Sent:* Wednesday, August 25, 2021 10:41 PM > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < > friam@redfish.com> > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] On the: RLY!? side > > > > Hi > > I would like to give you an "Asian" (perhaps culturally distasteful) > perspective on this from India. > > India has (officially) the 2nd highest number of COVID-19 infections and > deaths after the USA. > > However, within India, there is a small class of people, like me, called > Adi Brahmins .. it's a Hindu caste, who don't wear masks or take > clinically unproven or untested vaccinations, mainly because we continually > practice an ancient non-contact system known as UNTOUCHABILITY. Since > Brahmins are traditionally the scientific / intellectual elite of India, we > have known about virii, fomites, their modes of transmission, and how they > cause infection and disease for centuries and we knew this empirically even > before microscopes were invented. > > The rules and concepts of untouchability are drilled into Brahmin children > from infancy, and we practice it scrupulously even if it is banned by law > in India. And it's not as if we dont believe in Western medicine systems or > science, I was drilled by my grandfather who was the Director General of > India's Armed Forces ( .. aka Surgeon General of India), to the extent that > even the metal cutlery at his dining table was "autoclaved" before we used > them. > > The people who are contracting and dying of COVID in India are the ones > who are fated to do so because of their own foolishness and ignorance, and > also because India's government wanted them to die. > https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-57005563 > > > Sarbajit Roy > > New Delhi, India > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 26, 2021 at 4:31 AM Gillian Densmore <gil.densm...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Pieter: YES! thats what I was trying to ask. Personally I think the > science and tech around Vaccinations just rocks. On the human side: It is > amazingly cool what people can do what we decide to do so. > > you bring up a good point! I watched youtube videos from people that made > the vaccines. LOL I did need to try to ask for a translation on what it > meant to map the genetics. RNA. mRNA. And when I learned how safe the > vaccine was. Then I decided I couldn't get in line fast enough. It sounds > like that's the opposite what some people are doing. It sounds like the > hear: this was made using new medical technology, that hasn't neneded to be > tested outside of labs until now. So they basically heard Fear And Doubt. > Which is a shame. > > > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 25, 2021 at 11:56 AM Marcus Daniels <mar...@snoutfarm.com> > wrote: > > They aren't under a mandate to have sufficient capacity, or they'd have > sufficient capacity. Through a triage process they can prioritize. It > must happen already, even if it isn't legal. Oh, the local drug addict is > here again. That guy is probably not #1 for the attention of the doctors. > If enough big organizations like hospitals, grocery stores, etc. simply > refuse to patronize people without evidence of vaccination, there doesn't > need to be a mandate. And it isn't just ERs, there are people getting > allergy shots, getting physical therapy, eyeglasses adjusted, etc. No > shirt, no shoes, no vaccination, no service. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> On Behalf Of u?l? ?>$ > Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2021 10:47 AM > To: friam@redfish.com > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] On the: RLY!? side > > That's just nonsense. By the time you're at the ER, the vaccine is largely > irrelevant. Plus, when some 18 year old kid comes in unconscious with a > gunshot wound, it's difficult to ask her if she's been vaccinated or not. > > Anyway, most large hospitals are under a mandate to treat whoever walks in > the door, even if they don't have insurance. To make the change you suggest > would require major legislative effort and, perhaps, re-architect the laws > that govern public medicine. You're not gonna do that anytime soon. > > Taking a look at this site: > https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/12/09/944379919/new-data-reveal-which-hospitals-are-dangerously-full-is-yours > it seems the ratio of covid patients is actually lower than I thought. The > actual problem is insufficient buffer capacity, not the surge in covid > patients. The covid patients are simply demonstrating the problem. > > > On 8/25/21 9:58 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > > Will you consent to a vaccine? > > > > Yes: You get treatment for your non-COVID condition. No: Get lost. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> On Behalf Of u?l? ?>$ > > Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2021 9:53 AM > > To: friam@redfish.com > > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] On the: RLY!? side > > > > Because the majority of the patients in the ERs are not covid patients. > (Last I heard the percentages were around 60-70% are non-covid. But I'm > sure it's location dependent.) They're regular people with regular > problems, many of whom delayed medical treatments for a year due to > lockdowns. We did a little too much "just in time" logistical planning with > our hospitals and this fairly tiny bump is demonstrating that our buffer > wasn't high enough. > > > > The smart thing to do is increase capacity, correct the buffer size, and > take care of both covid patients and regular people. > > > > > > On 8/25/21 9:33 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > >> Why should we increase the capacity of the hospitals? Just don't let > them in. > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> On Behalf Of u?l? ?>$ > >> Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2021 9:25 AM > >> To: friam@redfish.com > >> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] On the: RLY!? side > >> > >> Well, only if you don't make a big stink out of it. If it's a normal, > everyday thing, yeah sure. But if it's some litmus test for who's with us > or who's against us, then they're much less willing to submit to such tests. > >> > >> You see this in spades w.r.t. to the protests. In Portland, they antifa > are rigorous about staging counter protests, which makes the fascists dig > in and be more committed to protesting, which makes the antifa more > committed, ad infinitum. Here in Olympia, it's mostly just the fascists out > there protesting mask and vaccine mandates. (Yes, irony is dead.) But as a > result, they're anticlimactic and peter out pretty comfortably. > >> > >> Along the same lines of "don't feed the troll", if we focused our > attention on increasing the capacities of hospitals rather than brow > beating the anti-vaxers, I suspect the vax rate would climb steadily and > the reactionary tendencies of the anti-vaxers would abate. > >> > >> > >> On 8/25/21 9:09 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > >>> These same people are willing to submit to an employer's drug tests. > > > -- > ☤>$ uǝlƃ > > - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe > http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > > - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > > - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ >
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