In the paper by Glymour I mentioned the point of view (not necessarily his) that we are zombies who tell our bodies to go thataway a few milliseconds after they've already taken off in that direction.
This is one of the steelman theories of mental causation he discusses. If I'm using the term correctly. --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Tue, Jun 16, 2020, 3:20 PM glen∉ℂ <[email protected]> wrote: > Exactly! If humans have free will, we can program a machine to have it too > (someday, anyway). And since we don't know how to *construct* free will and > the evidence against it is accumulating, it's reasonable to claim it > doesn't exist and the burden is increasingly on those who believe in it to > make their case. > > But note that the construction I spitballed does NOT define free will as > spontaneous. It's cumulative. In fact, that construction rejects the idea > that free will is spontaneous in any way. > > On 6/16/20 1:39 PM, [email protected] wrote: > > Yes. I don't think Nick is every going to write such a paper (as > opposed, say, to participating along with a bunch of you in writing such a > book). However, as I work through the correspondence of the last week > (Gawd what a splatter), I have yet to see any support for the idea that > there is any fundamental reason why a computer could not be constructed to > exhibit any free will that humans have. > > > > It begins to seem to me that "free will" and "emergence" are the same > sort of concept and likely to die by the same sword. Once you define "free > will" as that which is "spontaneous" (i.e., not explained by anything), you > have to prepare yourself for the moment when it is explained. > > - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ >
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