Marcus, you write as if you believe that you and others have what we normally call free will. Yet, that's not how science sees the world. I know it'd pretty hard not to act that way. Even so, that would seem to confirm Nick's claim.
-- Russ Abbott Professor, Computer Science California State University, Los Angeles On Sun, Jun 14, 2020 at 12:30 PM Gary Schiltz <[email protected]> wrote: > As someone who was a software something-or-other (engineer, developer, > whatever) for a decade or three, my view is that the term "software > engineering" is perhaps a good goal for the field, but has in practice been > somewhat of a flop. Back in the first AI heyday of the late '70s and early > '80s when I worked in the field, there was a term used to describe two > camps/philosophies when applied to AI developers - "neats" and "scruffies". > Neats were known for developing and applying well thought-out theories, > while scruffies just wanted to dig in and try stuff. I've never had very > good math skills or training, so I gravitated toward being a scruffy > myself. It seems to me that there is at least some parallel between "neat > vs scruffy" and "engineer vs hacker" mentality in software. > > On Sun, Jun 14, 2020 at 1:21 PM <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Ah. So. Very interesting. >> >> >> >> So, software engineering is not a science. It’s a culture? There is no >> right or wrong about it? >> >> >> >> Or, software engineer IS a science. We proceed best if we assume that >> there will be, in the long run, a right and a wrong about it. >> >> >> >> What is the validator of rightness and wrongness in software engineering? >> >> >> >> N >> >> >> >> Nicholas Thompson >> >> Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology >> >> Clark University >> >> [email protected] >> >> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* Friam <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Prof David West >> *Sent:* Sunday, June 14, 2020 12:16 PM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] alternative response >> >> >> >> Frank, >> >> >> >> I think the point of the herbalist is not that a herb will attack a virus >> directly, but that herbals will enhance a person's immune system in >> general, including ability to defend against viruses. That is a little less >> farfetched than the idea, I think, your comment was directed towards. >> >> >> >> Nick, >> >> >> >> Not as a 'scientist' but merely as a professional and in the discipline >> of software development. I have substituted my own judgement against the >> mainstream of Software Engineering since 1968 when SE was invented. My >> determination to do so is simply the fact that I am right and the rest of >> the world is insanely wrong. :) >> >> >> >> davew >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, Jun 14, 2020, at 10:11 AM, [email protected] wrote: >> >> Hi, Dave, >> >> >> >> I am always interested when any of our members – we who are so hard on >> the “tin hat people” --, departsfrom scientific orthodoxy. What >> determines when a scientist substitutes his own judgement for that of >> colleagues in other disciplines? That’s not a rhetorical question. And, >> having done that, why would on ever go to a doctor again? What about Linus >> Pauling and vitamin C? >> >> >> >> Has anybody heard from Bruce? Did he make it across? >> >> >> >> Nick >> >> >> >> Nicholas Thompson >> >> Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology >> >> Clark University >> >> [email protected] >> >> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* Friam <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Prof David West >> >> *Sent:* Sunday, June 14, 2020 7:15 AM >> >> *To:* [email protected] >> >> *Subject:* [FRIAM] alternative response >> >> >> >> My time in Amsterdam put me dead center in the Vegan / Vegetarian / >> Herbal / Alternative Medicine community, with whom I still correspond. I >> received this book and a strong recommendation from them. Most of the >> people in that community are following the ideas in the book and claim high >> effectiveness. >> >> >> >> I have a deep respect for acupuncture and Ayurveda and similar >> traditions, but am highly skeptical of the "new age" stuff. 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