So, Jochen,
Let it be the case (ex hypothesi) that The Definitive Study (triple blind, a
gazillion subjects) has been completed and it has been shown that NEITHER of
these extracts has any effect what-so-ever. Would you continue to take them?
Why?
Given that we all do stuff like that, on what ground do we have contempt for
tin hat folks and climate deniers.
N
Nicholas Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
Clark University
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From: Friam <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Jochen Fromm
Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 12:39 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] alternative response
My parents sometimes took a herbal medicine named "Echinacin" based on the
plant Echinace purpurea to strengthen their immune system. It is harmless. I
take it as well occasionally, it is available as drops or pills. Pure herbs, no
chemicals. I think the feeling that it might help already helps.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Echinacea_purpurea
Valerian extract helps against sleeplessness. It has only mild effects, but it
can help if you can not sleep at all. I guess you know both herbs already.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valerian_(herb)
-J.
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From: Prof David West <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >
Date: 6/14/20 20:16 (GMT+01:00)
To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] alternative response
Frank,
I think the point of the herbalist is not that a herb will attack a virus
directly, but that herbals will enhance a person's immune system in general,
including ability to defend against viruses. That is a little less farfetched
than the idea, I think, your comment was directed towards.
Nick,
Not as a 'scientist' but merely as a professional and in the discipline of
software development. I have substituted my own judgement against the
mainstream of Software Engineering since 1968 when SE was invented. My
determination to do so is simply the fact that I am right and the rest of the
world is insanely wrong. :)
davew
On Sun, Jun 14, 2020, at 10:11 AM, [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
Hi, Dave,
I am always interested when any of our members – we who are so hard on the “tin
hat people” --, departsfrom scientific orthodoxy. What determines when a
scientist substitutes his own judgement for that of colleagues in other
disciplines? That’s not a rhetorical question. And, having done that, why
would on ever go to a doctor again? What about Linus Pauling and vitamin C?
Has anybody heard from Bruce? Did he make it across?
Nick
Nicholas Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
Clark University
[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/
From: Friam <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > On
Behalf Of Prof David West
Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 7:15 AM
To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: [FRIAM] alternative response
My time in Amsterdam put me dead center in the Vegan / Vegetarian / Herbal /
Alternative Medicine community, with whom I still correspond. I received this
book and a strong recommendation from them. Most of the people in that
community are following the ideas in the book and claim high effectiveness.
I have a deep respect for acupuncture and Ayurveda and similar traditions, but
am highly skeptical of the "new age" stuff. Nevertheless, in case someone is
curious/interested.
Herbal Antivirals: Natural Remedies for Emerging & Resistant Viral Infections
Take control of your health and learn how to use herbs safely and effectively
to prevent and fight off a wide range of viral infections, including
coronaviruses, SARS, influenza, encephalitis, dengue fever, and more. Expert
herbalist Stephen Harrod Buhner offers this exhaustive guide to understanding
the antiviral properties of dozens of herbs, backed up by the most recent
research studies and findings. In addition to in-depth profiles of the herbs,
Buhner provides complete, step-by-step instructions for obtaining high-quality
herbs and preparing and using customized herbal formulations for strengthening
the immune system and addressing each virus. Discover how these natural
remedies can help keep you and your family healthy and strong.
davew
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