That sounds like a task for statistical causal reasoning. Remember, correlation is not causation unless you use those methods.
--- Frank C. Wimberly 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Tue, Mar 24, 2020, 9:00 AM Marcus Daniels <mar...@snoutfarm.com> wrote: > The preprint that Barry passed along points out that there are many drugs > that vulnerable people are already taking that have off-target effects, and > that it could be useful to tabulate that clinical data to see if it > explains recovery rates. > > > > *From: *Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> on behalf of Prof David West < > profw...@fastmail.fm> > *Reply-To: *The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < > friam@redfish.com> > *Date: *Tuesday, March 24, 2020 at 7:57 AM > *To: *"friam@redfish.com" <friam@redfish.com> > *Subject: *Re: [FRIAM] Choroquine-phosphate Death > > > > France is pushing chloroquine hard. A FriAMer has relatives there. > > > > Just because the first person that told people about this was an idiot > does not make the information wrong. > > > > davew > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 24, 2020, at 2:53 PM, Barry MacKichan wrote: > > Elon Musk had a serious brush with malaria about 20 years ago, and is > evidently one of the insistent sources pushing for chloroquine. Sorry, I > don’t have references. > > —Barry > > On 24 Mar 2020, at 0:42, Steven A Smith wrote: > > My first reaction to this was: THANK YOU DEAR LEADER! > > > > > https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/briannasacks/man-died-chloroquine-phosphate-coronavirus > > > > But, I don't know if we can attribute this kind of accident to POTUS45 > > or not... my gut instinct is that his constant raving about it is what > > triggered these people to give it a whirl. > > > > I have one toe in the survivalist/prepper community and they are known > > for aquiring and stockpiling antibiotics sold for fish/aquariums. All > > the major human antibiotics have fish equivalents FishMox and FishFlox > > for example. There is much discussion/lore/wisdom in that community > > around which products/sources are actually pharmaceutical-grade and > > honest-dosage and well-regulated. I didn't know of chloroquine > > phosphate or it's use... they are saying "cleaning" but I think they > > mean disinfecting. It sounds to me that the problem was dosage, not > > contamination, but the product they used may have been cut or mixed with > > something toxic to humans. > > > > I've a friend who lived in Ghana for years with Peace Corps who > > contracted malaria and was medicated with one of the chloroquine drugs. > > He understood then (25 years ago) that it was the third world's > > "silver-bullet" and in his case it turned his symptoms around > > (life-threatening) in hours (on an IV).... his response to this > > prescription-from-POTUS is that the death rate in the third world could > > spike if the first world diverts their supply (probably coming from > > China?) abruptly for our own use. > > > > I also heard that patients depending on these chloroquines in the first > > world are already finding that the supplies are drying up and many > > cannot get their usual refills. Doh! > > > > > > > > > > ============================================================ > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > > archives back to 2003: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove > > ============================================================ > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > > archives back to 2003: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove > > > > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > archives back to 2003: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove >
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