The preprint that Barry passed along points out that there are many drugs that vulnerable people are already taking that have off-target effects, and that it could be useful to tabulate that clinical data to see if it explains recovery rates.
From: Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> on behalf of Prof David West <profw...@fastmail.fm> Reply-To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com> Date: Tuesday, March 24, 2020 at 7:57 AM To: "friam@redfish.com" <friam@redfish.com> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Choroquine-phosphate Death France is pushing chloroquine hard. A FriAMer has relatives there. Just because the first person that told people about this was an idiot does not make the information wrong. davew On Tue, Mar 24, 2020, at 2:53 PM, Barry MacKichan wrote: Elon Musk had a serious brush with malaria about 20 years ago, and is evidently one of the insistent sources pushing for chloroquine. Sorry, I don’t have references. —Barry On 24 Mar 2020, at 0:42, Steven A Smith wrote: My first reaction to this was: THANK YOU DEAR LEADER! https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/briannasacks/man-died-chloroquine-phosphate-coronavirus But, I don't know if we can attribute this kind of accident to POTUS45 or not... my gut instinct is that his constant raving about it is what triggered these people to give it a whirl. I have one toe in the survivalist/prepper community and they are known for aquiring and stockpiling antibiotics sold for fish/aquariums. All the major human antibiotics have fish equivalents FishMox and FishFlox for example. There is much discussion/lore/wisdom in that community around which products/sources are actually pharmaceutical-grade and honest-dosage and well-regulated. I didn't know of chloroquine phosphate or it's use... they are saying "cleaning" but I think they mean disinfecting. It sounds to me that the problem was dosage, not contamination, but the product they used may have been cut or mixed with something toxic to humans. I've a friend who lived in Ghana for years with Peace Corps who contracted malaria and was medicated with one of the chloroquine drugs. He understood then (25 years ago) that it was the third world's "silver-bullet" and in his case it turned his symptoms around (life-threatening) in hours (on an IV).... his response to this prescription-from-POTUS is that the death rate in the third world could spike if the first world diverts their supply (probably coming from China?) abruptly for our own use. I also heard that patients depending on these chloroquines in the first world are already finding that the supplies are drying up and many cannot get their usual refills. Doh! ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives back to 2003: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives back to 2003: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove
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