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My memoir: https://www.amazon.com/author/frankwimberly My scientific publications: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Frank_Wimberly2 Phone (505) 670-9918 On Fri, Dec 27, 2019, 8:57 AM Steven A Smith <sasm...@swcp.com> wrote: > > Glen - > > Well found. I am digging into it now. Thanks to both you and Eric S. > for this acute but interesting/relevant bend to the thread at hand. > > A fascinating twist in our "Climate Complexity Summit" in Stockholm > earlier this month (thanks Merle for instigating/organizing) was what > felt to me was an emergent awareness that the core of "Endogenous > Existential Threat" (my term) Responsefrom a Complexity Science > standpoint is at least partly (if not centrally) the question OF morality. > > Whence arises morality? Our tribal (e.g. judeo-christian, etc) > precedent said these things came down from (the) God(esses) or possibly > "the Ancestors", and modern Sociology, Psychology, Spirituality seem to > appeal to the idea(l) that it comes from deep within us (humans). This > (sub)thread advances the contemplation I have been trying to worm my way > into about how such a human-centric abstraction as "morality" might be > rooted in fact in our heritage as complex adaptive systems amongst > complex adaptive systems, roughly (illusorily?) decomposable into a CAS > of CASes as it were. > > Before I start rattling my dentures in all directions at once, I'll try > to read Rescher and maybe even follow some of the loose threads he might > leave exposed for tugging on. > > - Steve > > > Heh... ask and ye shall receive! > > > > > https://fewd.univie.ac.at/fileadmin/user_upload/inst_ethik_wiss_dialog/Rescher__Nicholas__2008_Moral_Objectivity.pdf > > > > Rescher, seemingly a Peircian pragmatist, goes through a hypothetical in > an attempt to argue that for a moral principle to be objective, the > community to which it applies must have some (accurate) conception of > morality. By the parenthetical "accurate", I mean those moral principles > they hold must, in some definition, benefit that community. > > > > But what's interesting in relation to EricS's question about higher > order structures is his assertion that moral principles are *schematic*, > with some variables bound to context. And he develops, then, a hierarchy of > moral principles where: > > "At this highest level alone is there absoluteness:the rejection of > appropriate moral contentions at this level involves alapse of rational > cogency. But at the lower levels there is almost always some room for > variation, and dispute as well." > > > > Such a nesting of schema bears a striking resemblance to what EricS is > asking for in the context of the biosphere or the higher order attributes > of dynamic systems. The *trick*, of course, that Rescher doesn't seem to > cover (perhaps I missed it), is whether the *schema* evolve, whether it's a > strict hierarchy, etc. hearkening back to EricC's post about whether or not > a Peircian "convergence" assumes stationarity. > > > > Regardless, I'm pretty skeptical of Rescher's setup because it hinges on > this ability to predicate/define groups and define what's beneficial for > those groups. But that's orthogonal to the rather nice idea of schematic > principles. > > > > On 12/26/19 3:43 PM, uǝlƃ ☣ wrote: > >> It would be fantastic to read some treatment of higher order structures > like social justice issues from Peirce or one of his intellectual > descendants. > >> > >> On 12/26/19 2:47 PM, Eric Charles wrote: > >>> Eric (Smith), Peirce has extensive writings on probability and VERY > extensive writings on logic. I suspect he has much of what you are looking > for, we just don't focus on that part of his work as much. While he didn't > have a full modern understanding of all that stuff, he was massively ahead > of his time. > > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > archives back to 2003: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > FRIAM-COMIC <http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/FRIAM-COMIC> > http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove >
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