Elegant, Glen, and you caused me truly to wonder: Is the population mean, mu, of statistics fame, of a different substance than the individual measurements, the bar x's that are stabs at it? But I think the answer is no. It is just one among the others, a citizen king amongst those bar-x's, the one on which the others will converge in a normally distributed world. I guess that makes me a frequentist, right?
And it's not strictly true that Mu is beyond my reach. I may have already reached it with the sample I now hold in my hand. I just will never be sure that I have reached it. Could you, Dave, and I perhaps all agree that all ==>certainty<== is illusory? I don't think that's going to assuage you. I am going to have to think more. Ugh! I hate when that happens. Nick Nick Thompson Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology Clark University [email protected] https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ -----Original Message----- From: Friam <[email protected]> On Behalf Of u?l? ? Sent: Friday, December 6, 2019 5:08 PM To: FriAM <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] [EXT] Re: A pluralistic model of the mind? But doesn't it mean that, since no experience will ever *fully prove out*, that a fully proved out experience is something we will "never truly grasp"? Doesn't the provisionality imply that *all* experience is illusory? And, then, if there is such a thing as a "fully proved out experience", then you're back to 2 things not fully proved out vs. fully proved out? Of course, my point goes back to scale ... again ... there's a little proved out, a medium amount of proved out, and a lot proved out. But I don't want to put words in your mouth. 8^) On 12/6/19 11:49 AM, [email protected] wrote: > */both equally illusory./* > > I think “illusory” is used here, in your way, not in the way I would > use it, but to refer to the world that truly is but which we an never truly > grasp. I.e., dualistically. For me, an illusion is just an experience that > does not prove out. I arrive at my coffee house three days in a row and > there is a “day old” old-fashioned plain donut available for purchase at half > price. I experience that “donut at 4” is something I can count on. That > turns out not to be the case because, another customer starts coming in at > 3.59 and commandeering all the donuts. My experience was illusory. Or, > think flips of a coin. You flip a coin 7 times heads and you come to the > conclusion that the coin is biased. However, you flip it a thousand times > more and its behavior over the 1007 flips is consistent with randomness. You > come to the conclusion that the bias was probably an illusion. > > My understanding of illusory is probabilistic and provisional. -- ☣ uǝlƃ ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives back to 2003: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives back to 2003: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove
