Of course that's all true but I think you're wiggling out of the essence of the 
question. Is the student who is honest and sincere about becoming a computer 
scientist (but perhaps not focussed yet on some of the specific programs at 
digipen) better off going to digipen over UW? You can average your response 
over lots of students.

I can even repose it to is the cheater better off going to digipen over UW or 
is it worth the money to cheat your way through Harvard (probably)?


Ed
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On Mar 31, 2013, at 1:52 PM, Roger Critchlow wrote:

> 
> On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 1:08 PM, Edward Angel <an...@cs.unm.edu> wrote:
> 
> Let me ask you the following question: Do you think that the student who 
> chooses digipen will get a better CS education that if she went to the 
> University of Washington which has one of the top CS programs? How does the 
> answer depend on the fact that Washington's support for its universities has 
> dropped in half the past couple of years?
> 
> The student might do better or worse.  The outcomes of education vary greatly 
> between students.  What we count as "a better CS education" varies depending 
> on the student we're looking at.  There's a reliable proportion of 
> undergraduate students who never learn anything for longer than it takes to 
> pass the exam.  Some of them won't even do that if they can figure out how to 
> cheat.  
> 
> You can find them at Harvard commencement ceremonies.  After four years at 
> one of the top 5 universities in the world, they believe that the difference 
> between winter and summer is that the earth is closer to the sun in summer.  
> 20-30% of graduating seniors and alumni questioned, if I remember the study 
> correctly.  Smarter than the average bear?
> 
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