Ed,
Actually, I'd beg to differ with you on that issue....
I just spent the last ten years building large scale commercial systems
for major F500 companies using enterprise Java.
A good example is a major credit card processing services company. We
replaced their IBM mainframe COBOL/CICS credit card processing
application - which would no longer scale to the number of transactions
they need to do (2 billion/mo) - with a custom-built enterprise Java
application that we architected, designed and built over a two-year period.
My group did scores of like projects over the past decade. :-P
I do admit that the academic world may have perceived Java as a
reasonably good teaching language. But I believe that modern versions of
Java typically out-performs C++ on a number of industry benchmarks
(...ask me how and why); and with it's built-in networking and WORA
architecture, I believe that Java still enjoys major market penetration.
I agree with you that many of the dynamic languages (Ruby, etc.) are
replacing Java for the purpose of building Web GUI front-ends for for
these server-side enterprise apps. But Java truly shines on the server
side anyway - where it is still adopted by business. For example, both
IBM and Oracle see Java as chiefly a server-side platform, have been
committed to that posture for years, and continue to do so. For example,
Oracle just bought Sun Microsystems, in part because it wanted to
protect its investment in server-side Java.
Regards,
Grant
Grant
Edward Angel wrote:
I'd worry about about how to use that number. The prevailing view in
both academic departments and industry is that Java is on its way out.
For the kinds of things that Java is good at, scripting languages have
advanced so much that they are replacing Java. For large scale
applications, industry never used Java.
It's a major problem for schools that have their whole curriculum in
Java. When their students graduate they find the job opportunities can
be very limited if they don't have experience with other languages
like C++. For our students that are not CS majors but need to know
some programming, the demand ranges from C++ and Matlab for
engineering majors to python for the animation industry with a lot
movement towards java script.
It's interesting that all the feedback I get from industry is that
they (like us academics) hate C++ but they have yet to find a suitable
replacement for large scale programming jobs such as developing and
maintaining a game engine.
Ed
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On Jul 28, 2010, at 1:52 PM, Roger Critchlow wrote:
ACM Technotes reported today:
Java/J2EE is the programming and developing skill in most demand
with more than 14,000 open job positions nationally, according to
a July report from IT job board Dice.
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On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Grant Holland
<grant.holland...@gmail.com <mailto:grant.holland...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Dave,
What is your opinion about certification in the Java world at
this point?
Grant
Prof David West wrote:
Pamela, my replies do not seem to get posted to the list, so I included
your direct address.
There is no rating or accrediting body for certifications. The ACM/IEEE
could and perhaps should do this, but they have a conflict of interest
in that they offer their own set of certifications.
You are absolutely correct that the quality of the programs varies
significantly - some vendor certifications, like Cisco's, have a very
good reputation and they also certify trainers. Others, like Scrum
Master are hideous jokes (I am a "Certified Scrum Master). Microsoft
Certs are in the middle, good except when the right answer conflicts
with Microsofts answer in which case right loses to might.
A lot of universities, especially two-year schools offer courses that
are, in effect, certification test preparation.
If you let me know what certifications you are most interested in, I
might be able to provide some direction.
dave west
On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 12:00 -0600, "Pamela McCorduck" <pam...@well.com>
<mailto:pam...@well.com>
wrote:
Does there exist a rating agency or group that rates IT certification
programs the way several such groups exist for colleges and universities?
My son-in-law wishes to upgrade his skills, but we're very concerned that
some of the programs are nothing but fancy scams.
Thanks,
Pamela
"God keep me from ever completing anything. This whole book is but a
draft--nay, but the draft of a draft. Oh, Time, Strength, Cash, and
Patience!"
Melville, "Moby Dick"
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