Twice the same image at 1x1x1, then use mri_robust_template to register and average them together

On 4/6/2021 8:10 AM, Ramesh Babu wrote:

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Dear Eugenio and Philipp,

Thank you very much for your suggestions. Could you please give more input on "acquire the T1WI double and average it after coregistration, this increases the SNR".

Should aquire twise the same sequence with 1x1x2 voxel dimension?

Thanks
Ramesh


On Fri, 2 Apr, 2021, 9:00 PM Iglesias Gonzalez, Juan E., <jiglesiasgonza...@mgh.harvard.edu <mailto:jiglesiasgonza...@mgh.harvard.edu>> wrote:

    That all sounds right, thanks a lot Philipp!

    Juan Eugenio Iglesias

    Senior research fellow

    CMIC (UCL), MGH (HMS) and CSAIL (MIT)

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    Hi,

    I try to answer but Eugenio may also add comments. Several points
    that are important:

    - 1.5 Tesla and 1x1x1 mm3 are at the limit of what the algorithm
    can manage.

    - Post-aquisition reslicing to a higher resolution does not really
    increase the information content. Internally the algorithm works
    at a much higher resolution, anyway.

    - If possible, switch to 3 Tesla.

    - If possible and this is a prospective study, add a coronal T2
    image and use the bi-channel option. See papers of Iglesias et al.
    on this.

    - What you could also do on a 1.5 T is acquire the T1WI double and
    average it after coregistration, this increases the SNR.

    - Generally, isometric resolutions are good due to the symmetry,
    of course.

    - Also on 1.5 T, you may go bit below 1 mm with good head
    immobilization, and a longer scanning time. BRAVO in general is a
    good T1 option.

    Best,

    Philipp

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    Dear experts,

    Sorry for reposting. I am expecting some response from experts, so
    that I can proceed with confidence.

    For our project work, we are looking for hippocampal  and its
    subfield volumes. Using GE 1.5T scanner, we tried a 3D BRAVO
    sequence with 1x1x1 resolution, 256x256x160 dimension with 8* flip
    angle which produced images with a lot of noise. Then we tried the
    same sequence with 1x1x2 resolution, and 256x256x80 FOV, which
    produced a clean image without noise. When we reformatted the
    images, it produces 0.5x0.5x1 resolution with 512x512x172 dimension.

    Is this sequence good for hippocampal volume estimation and
    subfield segmentation (also for whole-brain VBM analysis)?

    Could you please suggest to me a correct sequence, if need to be
    changed?

    Regards

    Ramesh

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