I have decided now to not control for ICV or total gray matter volume when 
looking at cotrical thickness but to control for total gray matter volume when 
looking at surface area. Does that sound about right?

Cheers, Clara

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Von: "Arkadiy Maksimovskiy" <arkad...@bu.edu>
An: freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
Gesendet: Samstag, 2. Juli 2016 18:36:51
Betreff: Re: [Freesurfer] controlling for total gray matter volume

Hi Clara, 

If I am understanding your question correctly, you don't need to control for 
brain volume when looking at thickness analyses. 

See quote below from this link: 

http://www.freesurfer.net/fswiki/eTIV 

"Note that this correction is only useful in situations where the structure 
scales with head size. Outside of this, correction just adds noise, or provides 
inaccurate data. In the case of the measures from Freesurfer, one would apply 
correction to the volume measures and not thickness measures. This is because 
volume scales with head size which is mostly due to changes in surface area, 
whereas thickness alone scales to a much less degree." 

Best, 
Arkadiy 

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Dear FreeSurfer experts, 

I would like to look at longitudinal thickness data and want to control for 
total gray matter volume. Should I use that information from the CROSS before 
anything has been registered and smoothed or from the LONG after they have been 
registered to the BASE? 
Also I was wondering if it is useful to control for total gray matter volume 
when looking at surface area? 

Thanks for your help! 
Clara 


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Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2016 15:01:06 +0200 (CEST) 
From: Clara K?hn < cku...@cbs.mpg.de > 
Subject: [Freesurfer] cotrolling for total gray matter volume 
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Dear FreeSurfer experts, 

I would like to look at longitudinal thickness data and want to control for 
total gray matter volume. Should I use that information from the CROSS before 
anything has been registered and smoothed or from the LONG after they have been 
registered to the BASE? 
Also I was wondering if it is useful to control for total gray matter volume 
when looking at surface area? 

Thanks for your help! 
Clara 

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Max-Planck-Institute for Human Cognitive and Brain Science 
Department of Neuropsychology 
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04103 Leipzig, Germany 

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