yes, I think it can happen, although it's probably pretty rare
On Sat, 6 Apr 2013, Keith Jamison wrote:

Thanks for the reply.  Maybe I'm not thinking deeply enough about this, but
since there is a 1-to-1 mapping from white to pial vertices, is there a
possibility of self-intersection in the average?

-Keith


On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 7:59 PM, Bruce Fischl <fis...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>
wrote:
      Hi Keith

      the average white/pial surface doesn't have any topological or
      smoothness constraints, which is why we don't really use it.
      Yes, mris_expand is slow, but that's precisely because it
      prohibits self-intersection. The good nes is that compared to
      the rest of the recon stream it doesn't add that much time :)

      Bruce


      On Sat, 6 Apr 2013, Keith Jamison wrote:

            I have seen that the official recommendation for
            making a mid-gray surface
            is to use mris_expand.  This seems to be a very slow
            procedure on my
            machine.  I have also tried just loading the
            ?h.white and ?h.pial surfaces
            into matlab, averaging their vertices, and exporting
            the result.  This seems
            to result in a nearly identical surface as
            mris_expand.  On a test subject,
            only 48 out of 127,998 (0.0375%) vertices differed
            by more than 0.1mm, and
            these were almost entirely around the edges of the
            corpus callosum. 

            Is there a reason this alternative is a bad idea?  I
            imagine mris_expand
            does additional topology checks along the way, but
            if the vertices vary so
            little, can that be a major problem?

            I'm inclined to go with the faster solution, but
            since I'm relatively new to
            this procedure, I wanted to see what the community's
            experience might be.

            Thanks!
            Keith

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