Re: [Freedos-user] VOIP/Skype for DOS

[Thalis Agáthōn]

Thank you for your input. 

For one I am a beginner, but they did have Bilboard groups right? And was voice over network such a big issue to develop for DOS os?

In any case I think they could have build these things within DOS, if they had sustainability in mind. But rather they had money in mind. Capitalism forces companies to continuesly innovate and create new things even though certain things may be sufficient. 

This world is heading in a very wrong way because of this mentality. Ppl are cought up in this technical rat race and I don't  want to follow suit. DOS is a fine system. It's sober and humble.  If the mindset would change we could cherish what we have and try to do that as good as we can. I am quite certain that the essence of the tools we use today can be done in DOS. Less flashy and a bit slower maybe, but nevetheless, functional. Then again, I am a beginner 😊 and maybe naive.

Thalis
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00:46, 19 September 2019, Ralf Quint <freedos...@gmail.com>:

On 9/18/2019 8:45 AM, Thalis Agáthōn wrote:

 yes ofcourse, on server site its the software which is decisive, but
 on the client side mainly the hardware en a little bit the software.

 Uptil now I think FreeDOS is the best choice for 25 yo pc's.

You are making one basic but important mistake in your endeavor. You are
trying to run technology that has developed well after the heydays of
DOS, and those technology developed because of improved hardware. Just
trying to shoehorn things that have been designed for different
requirements just doesn't work.

25 years ago, IP networking was in its infancy, non-routing IPX was the
king on the hill, having already beaten out ArcNet and TokenRing. Things
like VoIP (including Skype) have developed because at some point there
was a switch in technology from IPX to IP networking, and with that a
lot of newfangled things became available and popular for the general
masses. "Social Media" just didn't exist back then, either these things
have all came to life after the Internet began to spread. And the
Internet in general was much simpler back then than it is today, so it
was possible to have some services of the Internet available on DOS.

But for even something as rudimentary as graphics, applications had to
provide their own driver support. Same for printing. Drivers have never
really been a part of DOS itself, it has always been a matter of the
applications, with some basic exceptions of storage (SCSI, CD ROM) and
mouse, which provided some translation layer between the hardware and
existing DOS/BIOS functions. If you needed something that those basic
DOS/BIOS function didn't provide, you have to make your own proprietary
extensions. And none of those were compatible. There were some attempts
to level those incompatibilities a bit, via ASPI and VESA for example,
but at that time, DOS was already a dead horse, so there wasn't much
support for those technologies from the hardware manufacturer at that
time anymore, because Windows and a totally different system when it
came to support hardware had become mainstream by now.

Yes, you can breath some new life in 25 year old hardware (if the power
supplies allow) by using (Free)DOS, but you just can't reasonably expect
that every modern day technology can be utilized through it...

Ralf


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