Personally I find DOS very useful. The main drawback is the lack of software being produced. New machines are amazing but the average little guy has few uses for so much power. Its good for the IRS, Ford, GM and other big guys but the average guy doesn't need so much power. 99.9% of a new computers power goes unused -not needed. It might be great for games and movies but you can buy machines that are even better when dedicated to those uses. I sometimes like to move my work to different location by pulling the chip out something that WINDOWS can never do.
DS On Wed, 21 Mar 2018 15:41:34 -0400 dmccunney <dennis.mccun...@gmail.com> writes: > On Wed, Mar 21, 2018 at 2:46 PM, Dale E Sterner <sunbeam...@juno.com> > wrote: > > I've used ios (junked it), Android & Freedos. Freedos is not too > far > > behind those two. > > FreeDOS is *very* far behind both, for reasons I've already > mentioned. > It's a clone of MSDOS, which was designed to run on far less > powerful > hardware. An OS intended for 16 bit machines is pointless when > current hardware is all 32 or 64 bit with multiple cores to boot. > > > Android is fine but is always being upgraded. > > I think I'm on my 10th tablet. They work for awhile but then > > soon need a upgrade - buy a new tablet time is about every 6 > months so > > far.At least tablets are dirt cheap; not too much pain. > > <shrug> I'm in a roughly similar position, but don't care. My > original 7" Android tablet's use case was eBook viewer. The most > recent one is a 10" model intended to be used with an external > keyboard and replace a laptop when traveling with something much > lighter.. It has quirks, but it *can* do what is desired. > > And while new Android versions are continually released, the tablets > I > get come from a vendor that does *not* push upgrades. The Android > version they came with is where they'll stay. I don't *care*. The > Android versions installed run the apps I want to run, and I don't > actually need a newer version. The major changes in current > releases > revolve around security. If my device was an always on phone, I > might > care. My tablets are expressly configured to be used offline in > local > mode and operate on locally stored data. The go online via Wifi to > check for app updates or email, but that doesn't happen all that > often, and usually takes place from home behind my secured network. > There is nothing I need badly enough in more recent Android builds > to > make me shift away from the older hardware. > > (And note, BTW, that Android is a Linux system. There's a Linux > kernel under the hood, and the native filesystem is Linux ext4. > Android differs dramatically from Linux desktop distros in internal > organiztion, but the underlying concepts are the same.) > > > I wish I could do on Excell half the stuff I can do on dos > > Qpro. On windows Excell everything has to be done with > > Visual basic commands; the macro commands seem to > > be only window dressing - they don't do everything the books > claim. > > You find Qpro easier to use for what you want to do. Fair enough. > > > Dos may have alot of limits but you can still get alot dfone with > it. > > I think it's more accurate to say you can still get a lot done with > DOS *programs*. You don't necessarily need DOS itself in the mix. > I > have an assortment of old DOS apps here I run under emulation, and > don't need DOS itself. > > > HP could use FREEDOS development to break in their new > > engineers. Most companies fire halft of their hires in a few > months > > if they can't produce. Dos could be used to weed them out. > > Depends on the kind of engineer. But for system level stuff, > they'll > probably toss Linux at them. It's multi-user, multi-tasking, > multi-threading, runs on 32 bit and 64 bit hardware, and has been > brought up on Intel, ARM, MIPS, SPARC and various other > architectures. > DOS is Intel specific. > > > DS > ______ > Dennis > > > On Tue, 20 Mar 2018 18:57:28 -0400 dmccunney > <dennis.mccun...@gmail.com> > > writes: > >> On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 3:05 PM, Dale E Sterner > <sunbeam...@juno.com> > >> wrote: > >> > HP's resources are so great that it would just be a > >> > tiny project for them. > >> > >> HP does things for *money*. There is no money in developing > drivers > >> for DOS, and the developers who are *capable* of doing it have > >> others things to do for HP that *will* generate revenue. People > who can > >> write drivers do not grow on trees. > >> > >> It's the same reason you don't see drivers contributed as > volunteer > >> efforts. Programmers who *can* do that will spend their time > doing > >> stuff they get *paid* for. > >> > >> > It would be nice to use an OS that actually works. > >> > >> I use several - Windows, Linux, Android... > >> > >> > It would move FREEDOS to the level of IOS or Android > >> > both highly used today. > >> > >> It wouldn't move FreeDOS anywhere *near* Android or iOS. > >> > >> DOS was an OS created for 16bit bit CPUs with hardware imposed > >> limits on the amount of RAM accessible. Early CPUs were a lot > *slower*, > >> too. (Remember the 8088 used in the original IBM PC ran at 4.77 > >> *megahertz*, and could address 1MB RAM.) > >> > >> Current CPUs are all at least 32bit, and increasingly 64 > bit,capable > >> of accessing gigabytes of RAM, with multiple cores and *designed* > >> for multi-tasking that DOS doesn't *do*. FreeDOS on hardware > like > >> that as the main OS is a pointless waste of time. It can't make > use > >> of the hardware. It only becomes reasonable as a guest OS under > >> something like VirtualBox, VMWare, or Xen, where it's one of an > >> assortment of things the machine is doing. > >> > >> The currently ballyhooed Internet of Things is occurring because > stuff > >> like 32bit ARM CPUs which can actually run a full TCP-IP stack > and > >> connect to the Internet are cheap enough to be embedded in places > >> where you might have used an 8bit CPU at best in the past to keep > the > >> costs affordable. Hardware is *cheap* and getting cheaper. > >> > >> > Although Android is alot better than IOS. > >> > >> Well, it's multitasking. > >> > >> > I just did my USA taxes using dos QPRO macros. > >> > I've written spreadsheets using Excell and Qpro. > >> > Excell is very pretty but for doing work dos Qpro > >> > is more powerful and easier to write.macros. > >> > >> And you want to continue doing what you always did, the way you > >> always did it, and not have to change. > >> > >> If you *can* do that, more power to you. > >> > >> But you really need to learn more about what has occurred in > >> computing since you became proficient at DOS and DOS apps, > >> whether or not you actually use it. > >> > >> > cheers > >> > DS > >> ______ > >> Dennis > >> > >> > >> > >> > On Tue, 20 Mar 2018 14:40:05 -0400 dmccunney > >> <dennis.mccun...@gmail.com> > >> > writes: > >> >> On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 1:28 PM, Dale E Sterner > >> <sunbeam...@juno.com> > >> >> wrote: > >> >> > Pity, if they gave it 802.11 and BT drivers; it would > >> >> > make FREEDOS more appealing. > >> >> > >> >> Someone would have to *make* such drivers to include. 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