On Wed, Mar 21, 2018 at 2:46 PM, Dale E Sterner <sunbeam...@juno.com> wrote: > I've used ios (junked it), Android & Freedos. Freedos is not too far > behind those two.
FreeDOS is *very* far behind both, for reasons I've already mentioned. It's a clone of MSDOS, which was designed to run on far less powerful hardware. An OS intended for 16 bit machines is pointless when current hardware is all 32 or 64 bit with multiple cores to boot. > Android is fine but is always being upgraded. > I think I'm on my 10th tablet. They work for awhile but then > soon need a upgrade - buy a new tablet time is about every 6 months so > far.At least tablets are dirt cheap; not too much pain. <shrug> I'm in a roughly similar position, but don't care. My original 7" Android tablet's use case was eBook viewer. The most recent one is a 10" model intended to be used with an external keyboard and replace a laptop when traveling with something much lighter.. It has quirks, but it *can* do what is desired. And while new Android versions are continually released, the tablets I get come from a vendor that does *not* push upgrades. The Android version they came with is where they'll stay. I don't *care*. The Android versions installed run the apps I want to run, and I don't actually need a newer version. The major changes in current releases revolve around security. If my device was an always on phone, I might care. My tablets are expressly configured to be used offline in local mode and operate on locally stored data. The go online via Wifi to check for app updates or email, but that doesn't happen all that often, and usually takes place from home behind my secured network. There is nothing I need badly enough in more recent Android builds to make me shift away from the older hardware. (And note, BTW, that Android is a Linux system. There's a Linux kernel under the hood, and the native filesystem is Linux ext4. Android differs dramatically from Linux desktop distros in internal organiztion, but the underlying concepts are the same.) > I wish I could do on Excell half the stuff I can do on dos > Qpro. On windows Excell everything has to be done with > Visual basic commands; the macro commands seem to > be only window dressing - they don't do everything the books claim. You find Qpro easier to use for what you want to do. Fair enough. > Dos may have alot of limits but you can still get alot dfone with it. I think it's more accurate to say you can still get a lot done with DOS *programs*. You don't necessarily need DOS itself in the mix. I have an assortment of old DOS apps here I run under emulation, and don't need DOS itself. > HP could use FREEDOS development to break in their new > engineers. Most companies fire halft of their hires in a few months > if they can't produce. Dos could be used to weed them out. Depends on the kind of engineer. But for system level stuff, they'll probably toss Linux at them. It's multi-user, multi-tasking, multi-threading, runs on 32 bit and 64 bit hardware, and has been brought up on Intel, ARM, MIPS, SPARC and various other architectures. DOS is Intel specific. > DS ______ Dennis > On Tue, 20 Mar 2018 18:57:28 -0400 dmccunney <dennis.mccun...@gmail.com> > writes: >> On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 3:05 PM, Dale E Sterner <sunbeam...@juno.com> >> wrote: >> > HP's resources are so great that it would just be a >> > tiny project for them. >> >> HP does things for *money*. There is no money in developing drivers >> for DOS, and the developers who are *capable* of doing it have >> others things to do for HP that *will* generate revenue. People who can >> write drivers do not grow on trees. >> >> It's the same reason you don't see drivers contributed as volunteer >> efforts. Programmers who *can* do that will spend their time doing >> stuff they get *paid* for. >> >> > It would be nice to use an OS that actually works. >> >> I use several - Windows, Linux, Android... >> >> > It would move FREEDOS to the level of IOS or Android >> > both highly used today. >> >> It wouldn't move FreeDOS anywhere *near* Android or iOS. >> >> DOS was an OS created for 16bit bit CPUs with hardware imposed >> limits on the amount of RAM accessible. Early CPUs were a lot *slower*, >> too. (Remember the 8088 used in the original IBM PC ran at 4.77 >> *megahertz*, and could address 1MB RAM.) >> >> Current CPUs are all at least 32bit, and increasingly 64 bit,capable >> of accessing gigabytes of RAM, with multiple cores and *designed* >> for multi-tasking that DOS doesn't *do*. FreeDOS on hardware like >> that as the main OS is a pointless waste of time. It can't make use >> of the hardware. It only becomes reasonable as a guest OS under >> something like VirtualBox, VMWare, or Xen, where it's one of an >> assortment of things the machine is doing. >> >> The currently ballyhooed Internet of Things is occurring because stuff >> like 32bit ARM CPUs which can actually run a full TCP-IP stack and >> connect to the Internet are cheap enough to be embedded in places >> where you might have used an 8bit CPU at best in the past to keep the >> costs affordable. Hardware is *cheap* and getting cheaper. >> >> > Although Android is alot better than IOS. >> >> Well, it's multitasking. >> >> > I just did my USA taxes using dos QPRO macros. >> > I've written spreadsheets using Excell and Qpro. >> > Excell is very pretty but for doing work dos Qpro >> > is more powerful and easier to write.macros. >> >> And you want to continue doing what you always did, the way you >> always did it, and not have to change. >> >> If you *can* do that, more power to you. >> >> But you really need to learn more about what has occurred in >> computing since you became proficient at DOS and DOS apps, >> whether or not you actually use it. >> >> > cheers >> > DS >> ______ >> Dennis >> >> >> >> > On Tue, 20 Mar 2018 14:40:05 -0400 dmccunney >> <dennis.mccun...@gmail.com> >> > writes: >> >> On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 1:28 PM, Dale E Sterner >> <sunbeam...@juno.com> >> >> wrote: >> >> > Pity, if they gave it 802.11 and BT drivers; it would >> >> > make FREEDOS more appealing. >> >> >> >> Someone would have to *make* such drivers to include. 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