got it, thanks.
On Mon, 18 May 2015, Don Flowers wrote: > Try these links > https://code.google.com/p/nanox-microwindows-nxlib-fltk-for-dos/downloads/detail?name=DILLODOS-302b.zip&can=2&q= > > http://freedos.10956.n7.nabble.com/New-release-of-the-Dillo-web-browser-for-DOS-td19097.html > > On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 5:58 PM, Karen Lewellen <klewel...@shellworld.net> > wrote: > >> Hi Don, >> no on that browser where Might I find it? I think I looked at the freedos >> edition and it did not suit compared to what my ssh telnet options >> present. >> Now if I could find a wireless d-link card sigh. >> I do not understand what web security has to do with Dos, or browsers that >> pose no threat. >> The very nature of a low graphic environment suggests disinterest on the >> part of those who create bugs that do graphical harm. >> I am too boring a user for them to care about my machine smiles. >> Thanks for the suggestion, >> Kare >> >> >> On Mon, 18 May 2015, Don Flowers wrote: >> >>> Karen, I also use the D-Link card (PCMCIA) in my home and it is an >>> outstanding card for DOS/FreeDOS, I get the desire to maintain a pure DOS >>> machine (I have one desktop and two laptops that are DOS only). Have you >>> tried DIllodos (the lasted build not the one in the FreeDOS repo)? Using >>> that, I can access the HTML GMAIL, I can verrry slowly browse ebay (but >>> cannot buy or watch an item), I can search for DOS stuff and download it >> to >>> my FreeDOS download folder. FreeDOS's internet limitations are not >>> necessarily on the FreeDOS end but rather on the end of the evolution of >>> web security. >>> >>> >>> On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 3:26 PM, Karen Lewellen < >> klewel...@shellworld.net> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> <lifts hand from back of class> >>>> But that is what I seem to be missing about freedos. >>>> I run DOS only, and have no interest in having 8 different operating >>>> systems on my main desktop to get the job done. >>>> I have a d-link Ethernet card. The card is very good with a ton of >>>> drivers, including the one I use for dos. >>>> I have a package called ssh2021b. this package contains ssh telnet and >>>> sftp programs as well as telnet ones for running in dos. >>>> I use the program for machines higher than 386 to ssh TELNET here >>>> shellworld, into the shell I have with the host for my office >> dreamhost. >>>> Granted, I am not using a browser directly on my computer, but this >>>> of mouse because I cannot. it is because no one has done a dos build of >>>> Lynx >>>> in a grand while. Equally elinks needs spider monkey to have the slight >>>> java and for some reason I cannot find a recent links for dos. >>>> Browsers not withstanding though, why is it so hard to just do this in >>>> freedos? >>>> took me ten minutes to do the setup i have for networking. >>>> I may hunt the wifi card below, if it is suitable for a laptop. >>>> Sorry if this seems innocent, but what is the challenge? >>>> Karen >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, 18 May 2015, Mateusz Viste wrote: >>>> >>>>> About networking -- have you looked at the wiki article? >>>>> >>>>> http://www.freedos.org/wiki/index.php/Networking_FreeDOS >>>>> >>>>> It contains already quite a lot of informations, on many aspects of the >>>>> DOS networking world. >>>>> >>>>> Mateusz >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 18/05/2015 10:52, Don Flowers wrote: >>>>>> I have a HP Elite 8000 with 12gb RAM, I use XOSL to boot Kubuntu >> 14.04, >>>>>> Windows 7, Compaq DOS 5.0, MS-DOS 7.10 and FreeDOS. When running >> Compaq >>>>>> DOS and/or MS-DOS 7.10, I use the native HIMEM and Windows 3.1 runs >> fine >>>>>> in enhanced mode; on FreeDOS even standard mode seems buggy, so it is >>>>>> not necessarily a RAM issue but seems to be (IMHO) some kind of >> kernel >>>>>> incompatibility. >>>>>> >>>>>> As for Wi-Fi, I got it to work on a Compaq Armada 1750 using a Proxim >>>>>> (Orinoco Gold 802.11b PCMCIA card (using WPA), but when we switched >> to >>>>>> Xfinity service the WPA setup was not compatible with our other >> wireless >>>>>> devices. >>>>>> >>>>>> I personally would like to see an updated step-by-step how to on a >> wired >>>>>> home network setup for FreeDOS. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 4:25 AM, Rugxulo <rugx...@gmail.com >>>>>> <mailto:rugx...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 2:16 AM, Guillem <guilevi2...@gmail.com >>>>>> <mailto:guilevi2...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>>> > >>>>>> > I've been thinking of dualbooting my Windows PC with FreeDOS, >>>>>> >>>>>> Why exactly? Although it's not a totally horrible idea, it's very >>>>>> tedious and a bit technical. Not worth risking anything important. >>>> As >>>>>> I told one guy recently, make sure you backup all important files >>>>>> first, and even then, only if you have all your Windows DVD >> recovery >>>>>> discs (and product key) nearby. >>>>>> >>>>>> What Windows do you run? WinXP? Win7? With the former, do you run >> it >>>>>> atop pre-existing FAT or (incompatible) NTFS? I'm not even sure >> you >>>>>> can (properly) resize NTFS at all before Vista (without Linux >>>> GParted >>>>>> or whatever). Also, Vista on up upgraded the boot loader, so it's >>>> more >>>>>> complicated to adjust, hence probably needing third-party EasyBCD. >>>>>> >>>>>> Native is fun, fast, (sometimes) less buggy, and runs DOS as >>>>>> originally designed. But these days we also have great >> alternatives >>>>>> like DOSEMU or VirtualBox or QEMU. These emulations are much >> easier >>>> to >>>>>> use and less error-prone, albeit no one solution is 100% perfect >>>> (not >>>>>> even native). If your cpu supports VT-X, you'll probably benefit >>>>>> greatly from using that (e.g. VBox or KVM or similar) instead of >> raw >>>>>> booting, esp. for better accuracy and speed. >>>>>> >>>>>> The simplest solution (if your PC can boot from USB) is to use >> RUFUS >>>>>> to make a bootable jump drive. Heck, you could also use various >>>> tools >>>>>> to make a bootable Linux (presumably with DOSEMU). Even if you're >>>>>> using an old Pentium 4 (like my old one), you can still boot USB >> via >>>>>> PLoP Boot Manager via floppy (or CD or HD). >>>>>> >>>>>> > and the only things that are preventing me from doing that right >>>> now are the fact that USB serial controllers don't work all the way >>>>>> >>>>>> At best, you're probably just going to have the BIOS detect a USB >>>> jump >>>>>> drive as a fixed disk that can't be unplugged/removed (without >>>>>> rebooting). Bret Johnson did write some nice UHCI-only drivers, >> but >>>> a >>>>>> lot of machines don't support that, unfortunately. >>>>>> >>>>>> > and also that there's apparently no way to use applications that >>>> require a sound blaster reliably. Is there any way to make some kind of >>>> driver >>>>>> > that would sit between the application and the actual soundcard >>>> (in my case a realtek) and forward what the app is trying to send to the >>>>>> > soundblaster to the realtek the right way? >>>>>> >>>>>> Although it's not native and isn't even a real DOS (no actual >>>> FreeDOS >>>>>> being used), the (portable, SDL-based) DOSBox emulator supports a >>>> lot >>>>>> of graphics and soundcards, mostly for old commercial games. But >>>>>> you'll need a different host OS for it. (Linux? FreeBSD? Kolibri?) >>>>>> Believe it or not, this is better than even XP's NTVDM for many >> (but >>>>>> not all) games. >>>>>> >>>>>> > I'm talking from a user's point of view here. I have never tried >>>> developing anything for DOS so I really don't know about the >> limitations. >>>>>> >>>>>> In native DOS? Not sure, not many have tried. Most of us aren't >>>> savvy >>>>>> enough to do something so extremely technical. I mean, one guy did >>>>>> port SoftMPU (MPU-401 TSR emulator) to DOS, but even that is >> loosely >>>>>> based upon DOSBox! :-) >>>>>> >>>>>> Like mentioned, there really needed to be a universal API for that >>>>>> (and some did exist), but it was never popular enough for many to >>>> care >>>>>> hard enough to utilize or fix it. So we have some libs, but >> nothing >>>>>> universally useful. Also, lots of old games are hard to find, but >>>> they >>>>>> sometimes do support multiple outputs, even PC speaker. Although >>>> even >>>>>> that isn't always physically available, but it's often better than >>>>>> nothing! >>>>>> >>>>>> > Also would FreeDOS actually run on a PC with 8gb of RAM? That's >>>> what this one has, but after the previous message in this topic I'm not >> so >>>> sure. >>>>>> >>>>>> I run it just fine on my 6 GB Lenovo desktop. Of course, due to >>>> memory >>>>>> holes, I "only" get (roughly) 2.9 GB free, but even that is "too >>>> much" >>>>>> for some rare software (chokes, dies). But most well-behaved apps >>>>>> (e.g. DJGPP) either work by default or can be massaged. >>>>>> >>>>>> Not sure how well it will work if you're running UEFI (CSM?). >>>>>> >>>>>> > I guess I would also have to figure out networking. I have no way >>>> of using Ethernet because of how this house is set up. >>>>>> > I can either use Wifi or use my phone with USB tethering, which is >>>> what I normally do because that PC's network card doesn't work all the >> way. >>>>>> >>>>>> This alone is probably the biggest advantage of emulators (e.g. >> VBox >>>>>> or QEMU, both of which I've used lately): easy to setup >> networking. >>>>>> You know by default that it will work, unlike native, where you >>>> can't >>>>>> be sure of anything! >>>>>> >>>>>> Granted, you mentioned Windows, but it's exactly Windows that >>>> doesn't >>>>>> support DOS well anymore (if at all). So while it seems crazy to >>>> use a >>>>>> software-only x86 emulator atop Windows on x86, sometimes it >> really >>>> is >>>>>> better than nothing. >>>>>> >>>>>> In short: it depends on what you're trying to do, and whether you >>>> can >>>>>> debug your own problems. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>> One dashboard for servers and applications across >> Physical-Virtual-Cloud >>>>> Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications >>>>> Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable >> Insights >>>>> Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight. >>>>> http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Freedos-user mailing list >>>>> Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net >>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> One dashboard for servers and applications across Physical-Virtual-Cloud >>>> Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications >>>> Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable Insights >>>> Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight. >>>> http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Freedos-user mailing list >>>> Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net >>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user >>>> >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> One dashboard for servers and applications across Physical-Virtual-Cloud >> Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications >> Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable Insights >> Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight. >> http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y >> _______________________________________________ >> Freedos-user mailing list >> Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ One dashboard for servers and applications across Physical-Virtual-Cloud Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable Insights Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight. http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y _______________________________________________ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
