<lifts hand from back of class> But that is what I seem to be missing about freedos. I run DOS only, and have no interest in having 8 different operating systems on my main desktop to get the job done. I have a d-link Ethernet card. The card is very good with a ton of drivers, including the one I use for dos. I have a package called ssh2021b. this package contains ssh telnet and sftp programs as well as telnet ones for running in dos. I use the program for machines higher than 386 to ssh TELNET here shellworld, into the shell I have with the host for my office dreamhost. Granted, I am not using a browser directly on my computer, but this of mouse because I cannot. it is because no one has done a dos build of Lynx in a grand while. Equally elinks needs spider monkey to have the slight java and for some reason I cannot find a recent links for dos. Browsers not withstanding though, why is it so hard to just do this in freedos? took me ten minutes to do the setup i have for networking. I may hunt the wifi card below, if it is suitable for a laptop. Sorry if this seems innocent, but what is the challenge? Karen
On Mon, 18 May 2015, Mateusz Viste wrote: > About networking -- have you looked at the wiki article? > > http://www.freedos.org/wiki/index.php/Networking_FreeDOS > > It contains already quite a lot of informations, on many aspects of the > DOS networking world. > > Mateusz > > > > > On 18/05/2015 10:52, Don Flowers wrote: >> I have a HP Elite 8000 with 12gb RAM, I use XOSL to boot Kubuntu 14.04, >> Windows 7, Compaq DOS 5.0, MS-DOS 7.10 and FreeDOS. When running Compaq >> DOS and/or MS-DOS 7.10, I use the native HIMEM and Windows 3.1 runs fine >> in enhanced mode; on FreeDOS even standard mode seems buggy, so it is >> not necessarily a RAM issue but seems to be (IMHO) some kind of kernel >> incompatibility. >> >> As for Wi-Fi, I got it to work on a Compaq Armada 1750 using a Proxim >> (Orinoco Gold 802.11b PCMCIA card (using WPA), but when we switched to >> Xfinity service the WPA setup was not compatible with our other wireless >> devices. >> >> I personally would like to see an updated step-by-step how to on a wired >> home network setup for FreeDOS. >> >> On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 4:25 AM, Rugxulo <rugx...@gmail.com >> <mailto:rugx...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 2:16 AM, Guillem <guilevi2...@gmail.com >> <mailto:guilevi2...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> > >> > I've been thinking of dualbooting my Windows PC with FreeDOS, >> >> Why exactly? Although it's not a totally horrible idea, it's very >> tedious and a bit technical. Not worth risking anything important. As >> I told one guy recently, make sure you backup all important files >> first, and even then, only if you have all your Windows DVD recovery >> discs (and product key) nearby. >> >> What Windows do you run? WinXP? Win7? With the former, do you run it >> atop pre-existing FAT or (incompatible) NTFS? I'm not even sure you >> can (properly) resize NTFS at all before Vista (without Linux GParted >> or whatever). Also, Vista on up upgraded the boot loader, so it's more >> complicated to adjust, hence probably needing third-party EasyBCD. >> >> Native is fun, fast, (sometimes) less buggy, and runs DOS as >> originally designed. But these days we also have great alternatives >> like DOSEMU or VirtualBox or QEMU. These emulations are much easier to >> use and less error-prone, albeit no one solution is 100% perfect (not >> even native). If your cpu supports VT-X, you'll probably benefit >> greatly from using that (e.g. VBox or KVM or similar) instead of raw >> booting, esp. for better accuracy and speed. >> >> The simplest solution (if your PC can boot from USB) is to use RUFUS >> to make a bootable jump drive. Heck, you could also use various tools >> to make a bootable Linux (presumably with DOSEMU). Even if you're >> using an old Pentium 4 (like my old one), you can still boot USB via >> PLoP Boot Manager via floppy (or CD or HD). >> >> > and the only things that are preventing me from doing that right now >> are the fact that USB serial controllers don't work all the way >> >> At best, you're probably just going to have the BIOS detect a USB jump >> drive as a fixed disk that can't be unplugged/removed (without >> rebooting). Bret Johnson did write some nice UHCI-only drivers, but a >> lot of machines don't support that, unfortunately. >> >> > and also that there's apparently no way to use applications that >> require a sound blaster reliably. Is there any way to make some kind of >> driver >> > that would sit between the application and the actual soundcard (in my >> case a realtek) and forward what the app is trying to send to the >> > soundblaster to the realtek the right way? >> >> Although it's not native and isn't even a real DOS (no actual FreeDOS >> being used), the (portable, SDL-based) DOSBox emulator supports a lot >> of graphics and soundcards, mostly for old commercial games. But >> you'll need a different host OS for it. (Linux? FreeBSD? Kolibri?) >> Believe it or not, this is better than even XP's NTVDM for many (but >> not all) games. >> >> > I'm talking from a user's point of view here. I have never tried >> developing anything for DOS so I really don't know about the limitations. >> >> In native DOS? Not sure, not many have tried. Most of us aren't savvy >> enough to do something so extremely technical. I mean, one guy did >> port SoftMPU (MPU-401 TSR emulator) to DOS, but even that is loosely >> based upon DOSBox! :-) >> >> Like mentioned, there really needed to be a universal API for that >> (and some did exist), but it was never popular enough for many to care >> hard enough to utilize or fix it. So we have some libs, but nothing >> universally useful. Also, lots of old games are hard to find, but they >> sometimes do support multiple outputs, even PC speaker. Although even >> that isn't always physically available, but it's often better than >> nothing! >> >> > Also would FreeDOS actually run on a PC with 8gb of RAM? That's what >> this one has, but after the previous message in this topic I'm not so sure. >> >> I run it just fine on my 6 GB Lenovo desktop. Of course, due to memory >> holes, I "only" get (roughly) 2.9 GB free, but even that is "too much" >> for some rare software (chokes, dies). But most well-behaved apps >> (e.g. DJGPP) either work by default or can be massaged. >> >> Not sure how well it will work if you're running UEFI (CSM?). >> >> > I guess I would also have to figure out networking. I have no way of >> using Ethernet because of how this house is set up. >> > I can either use Wifi or use my phone with USB tethering, which is what >> I normally do because that PC's network card doesn't work all the way. >> >> This alone is probably the biggest advantage of emulators (e.g. VBox >> or QEMU, both of which I've used lately): easy to setup networking. >> You know by default that it will work, unlike native, where you can't >> be sure of anything! >> >> Granted, you mentioned Windows, but it's exactly Windows that doesn't >> support DOS well anymore (if at all). So while it seems crazy to use a >> software-only x86 emulator atop Windows on x86, sometimes it really is >> better than nothing. >> >> In short: it depends on what you're trying to do, and whether you can >> debug your own problems. >> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > One dashboard for servers and applications across Physical-Virtual-Cloud > Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications > Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable Insights > Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight. > http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y > _______________________________________________ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ One dashboard for servers and applications across Physical-Virtual-Cloud Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable Insights Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight. http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y _______________________________________________ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
