Re: [HEADSUP] making /bin/sh the default shell for root

[Chris]

On 2021-09-23 01:55, Hans Ottevanger wrote:

On 9/22/21 10:36 AM, Baptiste Daroussin wrote:

Hello,

TL;DR: this is not a proposal to deorbit csh from base!!!


compatible interactive shell: zsh, bash, or variant of ksh.

Recently our sh(1) has receive update to make it more user friendly in
interactive mode:
* command completion (thanks pstef@)

* improvement in the vi mode (in particular the vi edit to respect $EDITOR)
* support for history as described by POSIX.



If no strong arguments has been raised until October 15th, I will make this
proposal happen.

Again just in case: THIS IS NOT A PROPOSAL TO REMOVE CSH FROM BASE!

Best regards,
Baptiste

For years now, csh is the default root shell for FreeBSD, csh can be confusing as a default shell for many as all other unix like settled on a bourne shell * improvement in the emacs mode, to make it behave by default like other shells This makes it a usable shell by default, which is why I would like to propose to make it the default shell for root starting FreeBSD 14.0-RELEASE (not MFCed)

Hello,


anyway.


Root.


shell right away.

I applaud the proposal to change the default login shell of root to /bin/sh. As you mention the rest of the Unix(-like) world has used a Bourne-like root login shell forever. It is one of the first things I change on a new FreeBSD install While there, you could change "Charlie &" in the gecos field to something more sensible, e.g. just "Superuser". I know Charlie is there since 4.2BSD, but the reference to a long forgotten baseball player is probably lost by now. Also, a lot of explanation is often needed when users receive (automated) emails from Charlie Once the login shell of root has changed to /bin/sh, I do not see any reason to keep toor around. It is there since 4.3BSD, but I don't know anybody who uses it in the long term. Many will just change the login shell of root to a Bourne-like I have experimented a bit with the new usability features of sh in 14.0 and I must say that it was quite a positive experience. I could easily suppress the urge to install and use bash instead of sh. I wonder if the changes (but not the ones to /etc/passwd) could be MFC'd in a few months, once they have matured a bit, so they

It was mentioned in the OP this *wouldn't* be MFC'd. An aspect I'm glad to hear.

would land in 13.1. As you mention elsewhere in this thread, usage in scripts is

not affected by these changes. And for interactive use it could be a POLA
violation, but the astonishment would be a positive one.

--Chris

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