On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 10:50:51AM -0300, James Almer wrote: > On 6/15/2016 10:14 AM, Michael Niedermayer wrote: > > Hi all > > > > As noone is doing anything about the situation and what is being > > done will not lead anywhere (the vote likely wont lead anywhere as > > likely few would ban a active developer 4 month and then if not > > some will feel injustice prevailed thus > > > > After writing this mail i will > > > > 1. ban carl for 24h from the ML due to > > causing derek to leave the project. (24h was suggested in the IRC > > meeting) > > This is useless IMO. While four months is too much, 24 hours is > insignificant. >
> Let's not implement bans without a discussion and a vote first. I agree but if i do nothing people are unhappy that i did nothing, if i talk with people trying to resolve a conflict well, it did not work this time. and if i do something else people complain too. and its 4 weeks since the incident. Doing some symbolic action seemed to make sense until the people finish discussions and votes. I belive i do not have the authority to hand out real (week+) bans, nor would i want that authorithy. Also i will stay away from symbolic bans too, this was intended to improve the situation, and i belive it did not achive that. > The current vote will probably go nowhere, so a proper discussion thread > followed by a vote will have to be made. Yes, its up to the vote comittee and the community to decide what should be done. > > > I suspect carl saw the merges done by derek as causing more bugs than > > good so he attacked until derek stoped doing the merges. > > Which is the shitty behavior that's being discussed about. When you find > problems you report them, or help fix them. You don't attack the person > working on them. > > > The correct course of action would have been a vote about stoping the > > merges or a change to the procedure to reduce the amount of bugs. > > Like maybe a seperate branch where merges can be tested for ~24h before > > being pushed to master ... > > Or maybe more people working on fixing regressions > > As a sidenote, most of the regressions should be fixed by now. > > > > 2. ban derek for ~24h from the ML due to causing lukasz to leave the > > project last year, and due to personal insults on the ML and IRC > > to lukasz and carl. > > As derek is not subscribed to the list ATM, this will be implemented > > by moving him from the accept_these_nonmembers list to the > > reject_these_nonmembers list for ~24h > > > > 3. ban myself for ~24h from the ML because i wrote offensive mails too > > years ago and i doubt none was pivotal in causing someone to leave > > And this is silly. It's old history and nobody requested such action in > any what whatsoever. It will only derail the discussion and again, bans > without discussion or vote are a big no. It may be uninportant but the "ban" would never have stoped derek from subscribing or subsequently posting a message. [...] -- Michael GnuPG fingerprint: 9FF2128B147EF6730BADF133611EC787040B0FAB I have often repented speaking, but never of holding my tongue. -- Xenocrates
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