On Jun 4, 2016 09:45, "Michael Niedermayer" <mich...@niedermayer.cc> wrote: > > CCing lukasz and ganesh ... > so they can correct what we misremember if they want, also dont want > to speak about people behind their back ... > > On Sat, Jun 04, 2016 at 12:26:22PM -0300, James Almer wrote: > > On 6/4/2016 7:33 AM, Michael Niedermayer wrote: > > > On Sat, Jun 04, 2016 at 10:30:32AM +0200, Piotr Bandurski wrote: > > >> Hi, > > >> > > >> The problem with this project is that it has not enough active developers. It looks like most of the devs swiched into "stand-by" mode or something > > >> and sadly no new people are joining in to push development forward ;) > > > > > > There where new developers but i have the feeling many of them where > > > treated rather hostile by the community until they decreased activity > > > or disappeared examples are lukasz > > > > I don't know enough about his case aside from i think there being > > differences with other devs regarding his GSoC 2015 mentored project > > for me to comment. > > I think there where more cases than GSoC itself > rather a general opposition to some network / ffm / ffserver related > work. Leaving several areas unmaintained now as a result. > > IMO no matter how much one disagrees with someone elses work > if one doesnt intend to do a better job oneself, one should be humble > and polite with critique or at least not "shit at one" until he leaves > > > > > > ganesh > > > > There was no hostility towards him. He basically left after a handful > > of patches he sent were rejected for technical reasons.
The timeline statement is correct. As for hostility, this is incorrect, even when restricted to public activity on ffmpeg-devel. But this was not the reason for leaving. The reason for leaving, which I previously conveyed to Michael privately, is that I lack time for this work these days. Put in other words, even if FFmpeg was "perfect" as a community, whatever that means, I still would have left roughly around this time. Exact timing was a result of a combination of multiple things that are really irrelevant. > > IMHO > our failure as a community was IIUC that we failed to make him part > of our team / be more welcoming instead we argued publically if he > should have a git write account. And we failed to "mentor"/"help" > him to work on something he liked and we needed. What happened > was he did good work that was rejected because we kind of didnt > need/want it. This mentoring/elaboration of project needs would have been very helpful. I basically did whatever I wanted to, with limited suggestions from the community until a few months back, at which time it was too late for me. IMHO a file with to-do points at least at a high level that most devs agree upon as being worthy would be useful. At the moment, even gsoc projects have strong disagreements among the developers as to their utility. > > [...] > > -- > Michael GnuPG fingerprint: 9FF2128B147EF6730BADF133611EC787040B0FAB > > The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal. > -- Aristotle _______________________________________________ ffmpeg-devel mailing list ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org http://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-devel
