On Sat, 28 Dec 2024, 01:20 James Almer, <jamr...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 12/27/2024 10:15 PM, Vittorio Giovara wrote:
> > On Fri, Dec 27, 2024 at 8:04 PM James Almer <jamr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On 12/27/2024 9:58 PM, Vittorio Giovara wrote:
> >>> On Tue, Dec 24, 2024 at 11:46 AM Michael Niedermayer <
> >> mich...@niedermayer.cc>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Hi Anton
> >>>>
> >>>> On Tue, Dec 24, 2024 at 06:24:40AM +0100, Anton Khirnov wrote:
> >>>>> Quoting Michael Niedermayer (2024-12-23 21:37:32)
> >>>>>> If i stand by and do nothing, THAT would be abusing of my power
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Behold, the favorite excuse of every tin-pot dictator ever.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> So boiling down your verbal vomit, I get
> >>>>>
> >>>>>       Yes, your democracy IS just pretend and I - the person who
> >>>>>
> >>>>>       * tries very very hard to avoid as much human contact as
> possible
> >>>>>       * oversaw one of the most toxic FOSS communities for close
> >>>>>         to 25 years
> >>>>>       * through heavy-handed authoritarianism directly caused one of
> the
> >>>>>         most notorious forks in FOSS history
> >>>>>
> >>>>>       really do know better than everyone else how to run a
> community.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> To that I say:
> >>>>> * you are delusional, as you are the source or enabler of all the
> >>>>>     toxicity
> >>>>> * Libav had NONE of these problems (not saying it was perfect - it
> did
> >>>>>     have other problems, but not these)
> >>>>> * there is no hope for this project as long as you continue to hold
> the
> >>>>>     reins and I've wasted enough of my life on it.
> >>>>
> >>>> If the democracy is just pretend, then above all, you certainly will
> >>>> agree that my SDR code would have been pushed to git master.
> >>>> It was not.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> OH MY GOD, you are not bringing this up again! Ever heard of the
> >> expression
> >>> "the exception that proves the rule"? Think how much community outlash
> it
> >>> received and how much effort it took from EVERYONE to prevent you from
> >>> doing something NOBODY wanted.
> >>>
> >>> You should really drop the "it's totally a democracy, except I can do
> >> what
> >>> I like" stance you have. Repeat after me
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> 👏it's👏not👏a👏democracy👏if👏I👏can👏be👏judge👏jury👏and👏executioner👏
> >>>
> >>> You are not him, and never will be.
> >>
> >> Vittorio, this is not ok at all. I don't even know who "him" is, but the
> >> second half of this email is out of the line.
> >>
> >
> > It's a meme: https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/bro-thinks-hes-him-im-him
> >
> > It's really sad that a CC representative is taking sides and victim
> > shaming, when the very people of this community are leaving (forcibly or
> > not) because of this thread.
>
> I'm not taking sides, i want things to calm down.
>

Wanting things to calm down does not justify bothsidesism:
https://www.merriam-webster.com/wordplay/bothsidesing-bothsidesism-new-words-were-watching

You have outrageous and unprecedented behaviour from two people censoring
the mailing list without any recourse.

The people criticising this are not the problem.

Kieran

>
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