> On Dec 23, 2024, at 14:44, Anton Khirnov <an...@khirnov.net> wrote:
> 
> Quoting Michael Niedermayer (2024-12-21 04:57:26)
>> 
> 
> This is frankly a load of bullshit, and I find it insulting that you
> expect people to swallow it.
> 
> At least in the past five years, ML moderators have NEVER used their
> powers in this manner. Not even once, not in the most toxic threads,
> never. And yet now, you suddenly decide that it's always been okay and
> supposed to work this way. And presumably we have always been at war
> with Eastasia.

For anyone who wonder what Eastasia is, it’s from the fiction “1984” written by
George Orwell, not real East Asia where I come from.

It’s a word which can be really misleading without knowing the reference. We
already have a lot of misleading here, especially for those new developers who
just found this mailing list, which is recommended by me to join this mailing 
list
to “learn multimedia development”.

> 
>>> with no oversight.
>> 
>> What does that even mean ?
>> If a discussion goes of the rails and becomes "toxic" the moderator
>> must step in and take action. At worst a mail is delayed or may need to
>> be resent (if really a mistake is made).
>> 
>> Iam fairly sure i remember you wanting something to be done about the tone
>> and lack of friendlyness on the ML years ago.
>> 
>> more so, half of the current CC candidates where involved in fuelling
>> the previous unfriendly threads. So we cannot even vote for a CC that has
>> 5 members who have not been involved.
> 
> So you're saying that because our democratic process does not work the
> way you like, you are going to ignore it and do things your way.
> Or put differently, all our democracy is just pretend and in the end
> it's you personally who calls the shots. In that case you should have
> the guts to come out and say so directly instead of hiding behind
> walls of fallacious arguments. Then I wouldn't need to waste time and
> effort on organizing all those votes and elections.
> 
> -- 
> Anton Khirnov
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