Lyvim Xaphir wrote: > On Sat, 2002-03-23 at 16:49, Felix Miata wrote: > > I currently have four machines with AMD chips and one (486) with Intel. > > If I had to buy a motherboard today, it would probably be one that uses > > an Intel CPU. Most AMD motherboards use performance crippled VIA > > chipsets. How good the CPU is matters little when the primary bottleneck > > is the I/O bus.
> I don't have a problem with your bottleneck statement; but I do have a > problem with it being applied to VIA chipsets. My research does not > substantiate what you are saying. I have a VIA based Abit KT7A-RAID What research? > mobo and have been running it for over a year with an Athlon 800 T-bird That would seem to be a statistically invalid sample size of one. > overclocked to 964 mhz. If you've got more URL's backing up what you I don't overclock anything. I want bulletproof. > say, by all means post them. Otherwise I'd suggest checking out the I spent quite some time looking for the URL I provided. I started first at Tom's Hardware, thinking that's where I had seen it. My mistake. Nowhere there could I find a relevant comparo of chipset performance at Tom's. There was a chipset link there, but quite ancient. I spent a bunch more time at Google extracting what I was after to show the list. > latest VIA KT266 mobo roundup at tomshardware. There's also the > upcoming KT333A Via chipset for which there's a preview here: > http://www6.tomshardware.com/mainboard/02q1/020220/kt333-11.html Games garbage. My computers aren't toys. It'll be a while before I can afford yet another new memory type the way they've been changing so fast lately and keeping prices up. > As for your choice in brand, I think that you are sadly mistaken if you > are planning on going with intel. The only thing that intel has going Maybe you missed the point "if . . . today". Most VIA boards in retail inventory today either require new RAM (DDR or PC2100 or whatever) or have the handicapped chipsets (most). If I was buying at today's higher than when I bought memory prices, I'd want to use my PC133 memory, not spend just as much for (my current amount of) RAM as for the motherboard and CPU. As it happens I did some research on exactly this, as my sister's Tyan 1846 (Intel BX) has eaten four HD's in 26 months and I was investigating what to replace it with without needing to buy RAM to replace the 768 Mb we paid $69 for in November. AMD chipsets need faster RAM, as do the non-handicapped VIA. SiS support doesn't seem to be mature enough lately, so that leaves only Intel vs. handicapped. > >> IMHO, via has been making great chipset for ages. > >I don't think so. I found the article that lead to my comment: > >http://www.tecchannel.de/hardware/817/index.html > Since you seem to be currently doing some research, I suggest that you > go here and look at what the experts are saying about the pentium 4 > architecture. > http://www.emulators.com/pentium4.htm#Pentium 4 Looks like an excellent reason to keep my Socket 7 systems running and wait for wider availability of unflawed AMD support. > Oh, and by the way, I checked out your link to the url "that led to your > comment." I'm kind of surprised, because it does not look like you've > read it yourself. The article states that by using the latest VIA > patches, the PCI bus performance is raised to equal that provided by > Intel's chipset. > Don't you read your own research? I didn't read it today. I read it when I was researching weeks ago. > In case you missed it the first time, I've copied and pasted it here for > your convenience. Complete content, at this URL: > http://www.tecchannel.de/hardware/817/11.html > Text only excerpt for whomever it may concern here: > ______________________________________________________________________ > Update: VIAs official patch, Version 1.04 [mucho patch stuff snipped] I'm confused about this patch business. What do they patch, device BIOS code? Drivers? Surely if drivers they would be windoze only, no? I didn't see anything in what I snipped that indicated the patches applied regardless of OS, which to me means windoze only and therefore useless when I boot into Linux or OS/2. > Until Dr Tom says something different than what he's posted so far, I'm > sticking with AMD/VIA. IMO it's a winning combination. As for me and > my house, we buy AMD. Well, looks like I druther too. Glad I don't have to today. -- "And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to His purpose." Romans 8:28 KJV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://mrmazda.members.atlantic.net/
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