Mike & Tracy Holt wrote: > EXACTLY!!! I couldn't have said it better. I would like to add though, > NOWHERE on the mandrake site does it mention that the commercial apps > are demos. NOWHERE on the box you have on the shelves in the store > mention that they are demos and if it were Microsoft which had done this > (civileme) you would be bitching about it to no end. It's plain and > simple FALSE ADVERTISING!! > > On the flip side, mandrake is my favorite distro and I would've simply > DONATED MONEY (as is available on the mandrakestore web site) had I > known that I was only getting stuff that I already have on my computer! > I'm also now going to have to wait to buy win4lin as it's not in the > budget this month after sending away for a mandrake prosuite pack which > I THOUGHT INCLUDED THAT SOFTWARE PACKAGE! AARGH!!! I AM NOW VERY > PISSED OFF!!! Like Jose has already said, it would've been far better > NOT to have included those packages because I feel mandrake is worth > supporting WITHOUT that stuff. Since I end up using cooker most of the > time, I tend to download the stuff I need, it would've been much more > convenient if I had known what I was getting in the package before I > bought it. > > And finally; civileme, your arguments are very weak - you make it sound > as though a complete rookie would be buying your prosuite package? Why? > That doesn't make any sense - if someone were that unfamiliar with > linux as to not be able to sucessfully install and use StarOffice, do > you really think they're going to go out and buy your most expensive > package? Let me see a show of hands from all people who run and jump > right in the flippin pool before checking to see if there's any water?? > And if you want to include mandrakeized packages for some other > 'high-end' server software, advertise it as that and sell it separatly! > $20 for a cd full of mdk.rpm's and say it's tested and approved to run > on mdk 8.1 - but you still must say that they are DEMOS!!! DAMN! How > hard is that to understand?! > > Mike > > Jose M. Sanchez wrote: > >> No you are approaching this the wrong way. >> >> The DVD version is touted as containing other "packages" available to >> the end user. >> >> As a result many people purchase this package expecting ALL of those >> listed applications to be available on the DVD. >> >> This is what leaves the "ripped off" feeling. >> >> It would have been far better NOT to have included these demo packages >> or at least not have listed them the way your marketing people have as >> an enticement to purchase the Prosuite. >> >> What you are doing is effectively making everyone feel short changed. >> >> That said, yes you can provide bundled in commercial packages at added >> cost on additional cds provided the end user is fully cognizant of what >> they are getting. >> >> A "Game release" version of Linux should not only be tailored to be >> "game friendly" but ideally should include a full title or two, even if >> this brings up the price. Eh, wait, that's exactly what you did! >> >> Mandrake is in a unique position, in that it can negociate deals with >> the producers to provide fully bundled in apps at a low cost. When you >> list extra applications as "included", this is what we expect. The >> assumption is that the added cost is to pay for these apps. >> >> As an end user, if I'm popping extra money for a "pro" version or the >> like, the first thing I do is look to see what is included. I did this >> when looking at the Pro-suite release... >> >> Oooh it looked nice, all those extra apps listed in the matrix. >> >> Well I get the DVD product only to find that there really ARE NO extra >> apps, other than the few Mandrakized RPM's for the free apps already >> available on the internet. >> >> Hmmm. Not a good buy IMHO. >> >> If I'd have been told that I could get the 3CD set, but for 20.00 more >> I'd get another CD with the Mandrakized RPM's, I'd have gone for the >> latter and felt pretty good about it. >> >> As it is, sorry Civilme, Mandrake's marketing people don't "get it". >> >> Remember I'm merely voicing my displeasure. This represents a minimum of >> 100 or so people who feel likewise but never bother posting messages >> about this. >> >> Pointing to other releases is also a non-sequitor, who cares? >> >> I'm only going by what is posted on Mandrake's web site which is >> misleading. >> >> -JMS >> >> |-----Original Message----- >> |From: civileme [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] |Sent: Saturday, >> November 24, 2001 3:57 PM >> |To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Mike & Tracy Holt' >> |Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> |Subject: Re: [expert] Extras in the DVD release >> | >> | >> |On Saturday 24 November 2001 10:29 am, Jose M. Sanchez wrote: >> |> Yeap, that's why the Prosuite DVD leaves a bad "taste". >> |> >> |> The source RPM's are included, which is nice, but aside from >> already |> free freebies, the DVD only gives you Mandrakized RPM's for >> the |> programs I listed. >> |> >> |> Yeah it's nice that the RPM's are included for Realplayer, but >> since |> it's a free release, it really should have been packaged in >> the |> original release, etc. >> |> >> |> -JMS >> |> >> |> |-----Original Message----- >> |> |From: Mike & Tracy Holt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >> |> |Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2001 12:30 PM >> |> |To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> |> |Subject: Re: [expert] Extras in the DVD release >> |> | >> |> | >> |> | >> |> |WHAT????? Why would they package demos on disk and advertise it >> as |> |part of the distribution? I specifically commented on this in >> |> |writing to sales and the lack of comment back lead me to |believe >> that |> |they had somehow included full versions. Maybe it was a >> |little much |> |to expect, but I think that's false advertising. >> When you look at |> |the comparison between the different packages, >> it's made to sound |> |like you're getting something more by buying >> the bigger packages. |> |The only thing this helps >> |> |is a person with a dialup connection - in which case, buying a >> |> |prosuite >> |> |dvd with server software isn't necessary anyway (how are |you >> going to >> |> |run a server on dialup????) >> |> | >> |> |This is the third time I've fallen for this - I'm trying to >> support |> |linux, and feel like I've been ripped off! >> |> | >> |> |Needless to say, I've got a dvd coming in the mail and hearing the >> |> |all the commercial apps are just time-bombed or demos is really |> >> |annoying. Mike >> | >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to >> http://www.mandrakestore.com >> > > >
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