That's just it. The 3CD release contains pretty much everything except the glaring omissions of Realplayer and the Flash plugin.
The other 3-5 RPM's are nice too, but are things most users can and will work around. Newbies however WANT that Realplayer RPM fully integrated into LM8.x. Like most people I'm NOT adverse to Mandrake making a buck, however if the "inclusion matrix" lists a bunch of stuff I do NOT expect ANY of the listed packages to be merely DEMOS!!! -JMS |-----Original Message----- |From: mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] |Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2001 4:40 PM |To: Jose M. Sanchez; 'civileme'; 'Mike & Tracy Holt' |Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |Subject: Re: [expert] Extras in the DVD release | | |I guess I'm a little confused by all of this. I buy the more |expensive |version of the distributions because I am assured that most of the |development tools are missing from the less expensive |versions. I (like most |of us) have a full time job and get to "do Linux" on my spare |time, the less |I have to scour the web for stuff. the better. That said, |Mandrake specific |RPM for problem apps (i.e. XMMS-AVI, MPlayer, etc.) would be |very appreciated |(especially if they work). For right or wrong, if the distro |folks and the |author disagree about the "right" way of doing things, the distro |precompiling the app seems to be the ideal compromise. | |With all that said, if a commercial software company want's to |make me aware |of thier product, let them pay for it. This is the stuff I |can cruise the |web for (or not) assuming I give a rat's party hat. | |So, for extra money: |1. development tools |2. normally problem software that works |3. stuff (gifts, software not present elsewhere) |I even go this far |4. a lack of advertising (I have quipped that I would pay |$.50 more for a |computer magazine that is lacking an AOL CD). | |If J. Random BeanCoounterSoftwarePublisher want's me to know |about the new |and improved "Disposses Old Folks 2002", let them foot the |bill, I work hard |for my money. | |mg | | | |On Saturday 24 November 2001 16:17, Jose M. Sanchez wrote: |> No you are approaching this the wrong way. |> |> The DVD version is touted as containing other "packages" |available to |> the end user. |> |> As a result many people purchase this package expecting ALL of those |> listed applications to be available on the DVD. |> |> This is what leaves the "ripped off" feeling. |> |> It would have been far better NOT to have included these |demo packages |> or at least not have listed them the way your marketing |people have as |> an enticement to purchase the Prosuite. |> |> What you are doing is effectively making everyone feel short changed. |> |> That said, yes you can provide bundled in commercial |packages at added |> cost on additional cds provided the end user is fully cognizant of |> what they are getting. |> |> A "Game release" version of Linux should not only be tailored to be |> "game friendly" but ideally should include a full title or two, even |> if this brings up the price. Eh, wait, that's exactly what you did! |> |> Mandrake is in a unique position, in that it can negociate |deals with |> the producers to provide fully bundled in apps at a low |cost. When you |> list extra applications as "included", this is what we expect. The |> assumption is that the added cost is to pay for these apps. |> |> As an end user, if I'm popping extra money for a "pro" |version or the |> like, the first thing I do is look to see what is included. |I did this |> when looking at the Pro-suite release... |> |> Oooh it looked nice, all those extra apps listed in the matrix. |> |> Well I get the DVD product only to find that there really |ARE NO extra |> apps, other than the few Mandrakized RPM's for the free apps already |> available on the internet. |> |> Hmmm. Not a good buy IMHO. |> |> If I'd have been told that I could get the 3CD set, but for |20.00 more |> I'd get another CD with the Mandrakized RPM's, I'd have gone for the |> latter and felt pretty good about it. |> |> As it is, sorry Civilme, Mandrake's marketing people don't "get it". |> |> Remember I'm merely voicing my displeasure. This represents |a minimum |> of 100 or so people who feel likewise but never bother posting |> messages about this. |> |> Pointing to other releases is also a non-sequitor, who cares? |> |> I'm only going by what is posted on Mandrake's web site which is |> misleading. |> |> -JMS |> |> |-----Original Message----- |> |From: civileme [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] |> |Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2001 3:57 PM |> |To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Mike & Tracy Holt' |> |Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |> |Subject: Re: [expert] Extras in the DVD release |> | |> |On Saturday 24 November 2001 10:29 am, Jose M. Sanchez wrote: |> |> Yeap, that's why the Prosuite DVD leaves a bad "taste". |> |> |> |> The source RPM's are included, which is nice, but aside from |> |> already free freebies, the DVD only gives you Mandrakized |RPM's for |> |> the programs I listed. |> |> |> |> Yeah it's nice that the RPM's are included for Realplayer, but |> |> since it's a free release, it really should have been packaged in |> |> the original release, etc. |> |> |> |> -JMS |> |> |> |> |-----Original Message----- |> |> |From: Mike & Tracy Holt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] |> |> |Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2001 12:30 PM |> |> |To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |> |> |Subject: Re: [expert] Extras in the DVD release |> |> | |> |> | |> |> | |> |> |WHAT????? Why would they package demos on disk and advertise it |> |> |as part of the distribution? I specifically commented |on this in |> |> |writing to sales and the lack of comment back lead me to |> | |> |believe that |> | |> |> |they had somehow included full versions. Maybe it was a |> | |> |little much |> | |> |> |to expect, but I think that's false advertising. When |you look at |> |> |the comparison between the different packages, it's made |to sound |> |> |like you're getting something more by buying the bigger |packages. |> |> |The only thing this helps is a person with a dialup connection - |> |> |in which case, buying a prosuite |> |> |dvd with server software isn't necessary anyway (how are |> | |> |you going to |> | |> |> |run a server on dialup????) |> |> | |> |> |This is the third time I've fallen for this - I'm trying to |> |> |support linux, and feel like I've been ripped off! |> |> | |> |> |Needless to say, I've got a dvd coming in the mail and |hearing the |> |> |all the commercial apps are just time-bombed or demos is really |> |> |annoying. 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