Hi Pete Thanks for the comprehensive and sensible follow-up.
As a comment to the Evo developers, the term "Expunge" is not one I've come across before using Evo, also what it does and why it does it is not something I've come across before using Evo. So, it would go a long way to alleviating the apparent insanity a new user finds when coming to Evo if this term and function were _much_ better explained and highlighted. Sure, I could find reference to Expunge in the help files (and via google and Evo web sights) but the references tended to give directions on how to use it, not what it did and why it did it - as a consequence I was loath to use such a powerful and potentially disastrous the function (incidentally, I did manage to wipe some material I would have preferred to keep while trying to work out what was going on). few comments below: On Wed, 2007-08-29 at 07:53 -0400, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Tue, 2007-08-28 at 21:50 +1200, Morgan Read wrote: > > On Thu, 2007-08-23 at 14:10 +1200, Morgan Read wrote: > > ... ... > > > How do I go about succeeding to do what I want, which is to move the > > > deleted mail to the folder called XTrash so that it is nowhere else but > > > XTrash? > > Delete and expunge. There's no other way. There is no IMAP operation > which means "physically remove this message", only "expunge this > folder". I know you're not using IMAP, but AFAIK Evo is designed as far > as possible to use the same semantics independantly of the underlying > mailbox architecture. Having "delete" mean different things depending on > whether you were using POP or IMAP (or Exchange) would be horrendous. > > Note that this also affects the semantics of moving messages. Since IMAP > only allows copy+delete, Evo does this even on local folders where it > could in principle do a genuine move. This also has the side effect of > being easy to undo (see below). Makes perfect sense, thanks (Developers - how about sticking this text in the Help resource?) > > > Any ideas, comments? > > > > On Tue, 2007-08-28 at 09:55 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote: > > > On Tue, 2007-08-28 at 10:53 +1200, Morgan Read wrote: > > > > On Fri, 2007-08-24 at 08:42 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote: > > ... > > > Well why don't you use an archival system rather than mucking around > > > with deleted mail? I've never understood the mindset that leads to > > > "I've pressed delete, but I actually still want to keep it" - if that's > > > the case, don't delete it. > > Because in every other computer user environment where there is a > > "Trash", delete means "move to the Trash folder" - try highlighting a > > icon on the gnome desktop and hit delete, where does it go - the Trash > > folder. > > Not on IMAP clients. Some (like Evo) just mark the message, others copy OK > it to a physical Trash folder but leave a marked copy behind, which they > may or may not expunge automatically. Note that this latter method > wastes space at least temporarily, and in border cases can actually > prevent you from deleting messages to free up space (because your > mailbox is so full it can't make the copy -- I've seen this happen). > > Marking without moving also has the neat consequence of being very cheap > to undo. You just unmark the message and it's magically back where it > came from without Evo having to maintain a separate piece of state > information for it. In fact if it's on IMAP you can even undelete it > from a different client on a different machine. > > > > It was originally - but then lots of people grouched that they couldn't > > > find the trash folder so it got moved to be amongst the normal folders. > > > Also, I know you don't use IMAP, but there is a Trash folder for each > > > individual IMAP account, and that would be confusing if they were all in > > > 'Search Folders'. > > Hmm, more logical approach would be to allow "Search Folders" to be > > nested within the other folder hierarchies... > > I'd actually agree with this. I'd like to distribute search folders > among my folder hierarchy, though I can see it would be messy to > implement. (Note that, unlike IMAP folders, search folders only exist > within the local Evo instance.) > > > > > > > > So, I'm trying to moving the (un-hidden) deleted mail from > > > > folders to an archive folder - except they're not moved; they're copied! > > > > > > - and then deleted - same effect as moving. In fact, I can't think of > > > an instance within mail handling where a 'move' isn't implemented as > > > 'copy and delete' - it's just so much safer. What you are really > > Ah, NO - and then NOT deleted! They're still there!!! > > Er, they *are* deleted, they're just not expunged. 'Deleted' in Evo-land > (following IMAP practice) means 'marked for future removal'. OK - now I know (well actually I had worked it out;) Thanks again, M. -- Getting errors "There are problems with the signature" (or similar)? Update your system by installing certificates from CAcert Inc, see here: http://wiki.cacert.org/wiki/BrowserClients?#head-259758ec5ba51c5205cfb179cf60e0b54d9e378b Morgan Read NEW ZEALAND <mailto:mstuffATreadDOTorgDOTnz> fedora: Freedom Forever! http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Overview "By choosing not to ship any proprietary or binary drivers, Fedora does differ from other distributions. ..." Quote: Max Spevik http://interviews.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/08/17/177220 RMS on fedora: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FreeSoftwareAnalysis/FSF
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