On 1/8/2025 4:58 AM, John Clark wrote:
On Tue, Jan 7, 2025 at 5:40 PM Brent Meeker <meekerbr...@gmail.com> wrote:
/> If there were something to account for it, it wouldn't be random./
*Correct.*
/> It seems you only feel ignorance type randomness is not absurd.
/
*In general I don't think ontological randomness is absurd because I
know of no law of logic that demands every event have a cause, _BUT_
in science it's not wise to invoke it if it is _not necessary_ to do
so, and in Many Worlds and Pilot Wave it is _NOT_, *
But notice that no instance of randomness is "necessary" in the above
sense if you simply posit there are branching worlds where everything
happens. This was the viewpoint of Max Tegmark for a while until Bruno
sharpened the viewpoint to "everything computable" happens.
Logically, an event not happening is just another kind of event. So to
demand that every event have cause runs into trouble.
Brent
*but in Objective Collabs it _IS_ necessary. As for Copenhagen (a.k.a.
shut up and calculate), **nobody cares if it's ontologically random or
not because either way they still get the same reading on their
voltmeter. *
*Every quantum interpretation can happily coexist with epistemological
randomness (even classical physics can do that) but some can't exist
without ontological randomness, however Many World is not one of those. *
**
/> that's why libraries have bigger fiction sections than physics
sections. :-)/
*Good point! I sometimes wonder if some of the more abstruse areas of
mathematics are the equivalent to Harry Potter stories, the only
difference being one of them is written in the language of
mathematics and the other written in the language of English; both can
be entertaining if you know the language but neither has a
relationship with the physical world. *
*John K Clark See what's on my new list at Extropolis
<https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis>*
afm
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