Prove that you admit everything. Admit that your assertion that *consciousness is all that exists* is metaphysical - it cannot be proved. The same is true of the claim that matter and energy are all that exists. Both are metaphysical statements.
On Sun, Jan 5, 2025 at 12:08 PM 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > I always admit everything. It seems to you that I don't because I keep > saying "Consciousness is all there is". While that sentence is true, so > while that proves with 100% certainty that there is no matter, it still > doesn't give the full details of consciousness. > > On Sunday, 5 January 2025 at 18:21:13 UTC+2 Terren Suydam wrote: > >> I think that's the first time you've ever admitted you don't understand >> something fully. I recommend you keep going in that direction. >> >> On Sun, Jan 5, 2025 at 11:05 AM 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List < >> everyth...@googlegroups.com> wrote: >> >>> I also said: "if we were to understand consciousness fully, then we will >>> know for sure what to expect after death." As of today, we don't understand >>> consciousness fully. >>> >>> On Sunday, 5 January 2025 at 16:54:49 UTC+2 Terren Suydam wrote: >>> >>>> When you said this: "And in case we would expect happiness, then we >>>> will even stop finding any cure for cancer. We will celebrate cancer." So >>>> instead of celebrating cancer, why not skip the painful parts? >>>> >>>> On Saturday, January 4, 2025 at 3:29:59 PM UTC-5 Cosmin Visan wrote: >>>> >>>>> Where did I say that the next life will be better ? >>>>> >>>>> On Saturday, 4 January 2025 at 22:09:01 UTC+2 Terren Suydam wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Serious question - what's stopping you from killing yourself and >>>>>> speeding up the transition to happiness? >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, Jan 4, 2025 at 3:04 PM 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List < >>>>>> everyth...@googlegroups.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm millionaire, why would I need a job ? Also, if we were to >>>>>>> understand consciousness fully, then we will know for sure what to >>>>>>> expect >>>>>>> after death. And in case we would expect happiness, then we will even >>>>>>> stop >>>>>>> finding any cure for cancer. We will celebrate cancer. All of our >>>>>>> current >>>>>>> decisions are made based on incomplete knowledge of the truth. As such, >>>>>>> we >>>>>>> make the decisions based on what we imagine reality to be, not on what >>>>>>> it >>>>>>> actually is. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Saturday, 4 January 2025 at 21:37:03 UTC+2 Alan Grayson wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Saturday, January 4, 2025 at 12:30:07 PM UTC-7 Cosmin Visan >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It depends what kind of person you are. If you are a depressed >>>>>>>> person, curing you of cancer will not do any good. On the contrary, if >>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>> would have died you would havd gotten a chance at happiness in the next >>>>>>>> life. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *You have to be right. Stop your BS, assuming you know more than >>>>>>>> you actually do, or get a job, or jerkoff, but no more of your >>>>>>>> stupidity. >>>>>>>> AG * >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Saturday, 4 January 2025 at 21:06:51 UTC+2 Alan Grayson wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Saturday, January 4, 2025 at 11:27:28 AM UTC-7 Cosmin Visan >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I just opened a topic a while back about the definition of the word >>>>>>>> "useful" that you keep abusing. Let's remind you: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Useful = whatever increases happiness. >>>>>>>> Useless = whatever doesn't increase happiness. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> My philosophy, I guarantee you 100%, increases happiness, so is >>>>>>>> useful. >>>>>>>> Getting cured of cancer might still let you depressed, so cancer >>>>>>>> cure is useless. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *You can't be very conscious and make such a hugely stupid comment. >>>>>>>> Don't ya think that being cured of cancer is immensely happier than >>>>>>>> succumbing to it? AG* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Saturday, 4 January 2025 at 19:59:29 UTC+2 Alan Grayson wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Saturday, January 4, 2025 at 10:44:42 AM UTC-7 Alan Grayson >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Saturday, January 4, 2025 at 9:53:59 AM UTC-7 Cosmin Visan wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> How do you expect you can properly fix a car if you don't know how >>>>>>>> it function ? You just do guesswork, you give it a few kicks and maybe >>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>> starts. This is how present-day science works given that it doesn't >>>>>>>> work >>>>>>>> based on fundamentals, namely based on the working of consciousness. >>>>>>>> Sure, >>>>>>>> you can keep doing research this way: kick it till it works. And you >>>>>>>> might >>>>>>>> save a few lives. But if you were start from fundamentals, then you >>>>>>>> would >>>>>>>> know exactly what you were doing and you will save 8 billion lives. Not >>>>>>>> that it would matter at that point, given that at that level of >>>>>>>> development >>>>>>>> we will manipulate consciousness to such a degree that we will not even >>>>>>>> need bodies anymore. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *About 60 years ago I met a fellow with your philosophy, a Master >>>>>>>> of Yoga, an adept at "Traditional Science", author of several books, >>>>>>>> who >>>>>>>> claimed with great authority that the problem of cancer had been >>>>>>>> "solved". >>>>>>>> He never got cancer but died of a heart failure around age 80 in 2008. >>>>>>>> AG* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *My point is that people with your philosophy often make huge >>>>>>>> claims, with rarely anything practical forthcoming. For example, >>>>>>>> during the >>>>>>>> Covid pandemic, a company named Moderna produced a vaccine in record >>>>>>>> time, >>>>>>>> using knowledge of DNA, viruses, etc. They couldn't have done that >>>>>>>> without >>>>>>>> the discovery of DNA, which no doubt required by the invention of the >>>>>>>> Electron Microscope. Talk is cheap. We can do great things in the >>>>>>>> absence >>>>>>>> of your vague philosophy. Can you actually DO something useful, or is >>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>> all talk? AG * >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Saturday, 4 January 2025 at 17:17:26 UTC+2 Alan Grayson wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Saturday, January 4, 2025 at 8:11:38 AM UTC-7 Cosmin Visan wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> @Alan. You can do cancer research. But since that research is not >>>>>>>> based on fundamental ideas about reality, it will be just guesswork: >>>>>>>> Just >>>>>>>> try 1000 different drugs and cross fingers that one might work. >>>>>>>> Instead, if >>>>>>>> people would actually understand consciousness, they would cure cancer >>>>>>>> in 1 >>>>>>>> week. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *I might believe that if you were able to contribute ANYTHING to >>>>>>>> ANY problem discussed here. All I read are grandiose claims with >>>>>>>> nothing >>>>>>>> practical forthcoming. AG* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Saturday, 4 January 2025 at 17:08:48 UTC+2 Alan Grayson wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Saturday, January 4, 2025 at 8:01:18 AM UTC-7 Cosmin Visan wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You can continue cancer research. But is just like playing World of >>>>>>>> Warcraft in order to get the legendary gear. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *If you get cancer, which is not my wish, you can tell your doctor >>>>>>>> that the pain and suffering is purely imaginary, not to mention the >>>>>>>> possible early termination of your life. Now, do us all a favor and >>>>>>>> cease >>>>>>>> posting like a fool. AG * >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Saturday, 4 January 2025 at 16:48:23 UTC+2 John Clark wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *You didn't answer my question. Should cancer research be stopped, >>>>>>>> and if not why not? * >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sat, Jan 4, 2025 at 9:35 AM 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List < >>>>>>>> everyth...@googlegroups.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You make the classical confusion between epistemology and ontology. >>>>>>>> Only because you can watch a movie with Spider-Man (epistemology), it >>>>>>>> doesn't follow that Spider-Man exists (ontology). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Saturday, 4 January 2025 at 15:39:31 UTC+2 John Clark wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sat, Jan 4, 2025 at 8:04 AM 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List < >>>>>>>> everyth...@googlegroups.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *>>the question of list moderation would not be relevant at this >>>>>>>> time if one very recent list member didn't think page after page of >>>>>>>> nothing >>>>>>>> but "(:>)" characters was an intelligent rebuttal, and ALL scientific >>>>>>>> questions of the form "what is the nature of X?" can be answered by >>>>>>>> simply >>>>>>>> saying "X does not exist".* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *> Of course, given that consciousness is all there is. Why would >>>>>>>> you waste time talking about things that don't exist ?* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *So there's no point in doing cancer research because cancer does >>>>>>>> not exist? 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