On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 8:13 PM Bruce Kellett <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 1, 2020 at 10:49 AM Jason Resch <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 7:37 PM PGC <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 2:26:40 AM UTC+2, Jason wrote: >>>> >>>> On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 7:20 PM PGC <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 1:12:49 AM UTC+2, Jason wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> There have been 65 studies on HCQ. Of all the tests that looked at >>>>>> giving it early in the disease, or prophylactically, they showed HCQ was >>>>>> beneficial. This site summarizes them all: https://c19study.com/ >>>>>> >>>>>> The only studies that have shown HCQ to be ineffective are those >>>>>> where it is given late in the disease progression (when the disease >>>>>> shifts >>>>>> from the viral replication phase to an immune system dysregulation >>>>>> phase >>>>>> <https://www.evms.edu/media/evms_public/departments/internal_medicine/EVMS_Critical_Care_COVID-19_Protocol.pdf> >>>>>> (see page 2)). Even then, 61% of studies have shown some effectiveness >>>>>> even >>>>>> when it is given late. >>>>>> >>>>>> Given the well-established safety >>>>>> <https://www.cdc.gov/malaria/resources/pdf/fsp/drugs/Hydroxychloroquine.pdf> >>>>>> record of HCQ, this is the dilemma we face: >>>>>> >>>>>> HCQ works HCQ doesn't work >>>>>> HCQ widely dispensed 10,000s of thousands of lives saved $20 wasted >>>>>> per patient >>>>>> HCQ use restricted 10,000s of thousands of needless deaths $0 wasted >>>>>> per patient >>>>>> >>>>>> Even in the face of impartial information on its effectiveness, the >>>>>> decision is clear. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> https://www.who.int/news-room/detail/04-07-2020-who-discontinues-hydroxychloroquine-and-lopinavir-ritonavir-treatment-arms-for-covid-19 >>>>> >>>>> Why not find out from the WHO or the steering committee itself? Just >>>>> be prepared to wait as I believe they are somewhat busy. >>>>> >>>>> But contact them >>>>> >>>> >>>> Find out what from the WHO? >>>> >>> >>> Why they discontinued the treatment arm and why you think they should >>> re-establish it (again btw) to save thousands of lives, with your table and >>> the website. PGC >>> >>>> >>> >> It's purely a decision theory problem. They WHO is not infallible (and >> have demonstrated that recently), the science on HCQs effectiveness is >> mixed, the science on its safety is clear. >> >> Given that there is a clearly optimal decision with a higher expected >> value. >> > > > Your table above presents a false dichotomy. > It either works or doesn't. That's two options. Unless you can point out a third one that I missed. > There is no evidence that use of HCQ is effective as a cure for COVID-19. > "No evidence" is a rather poor way to describe "*100% of scientific studies that have investigated it's early administration*" (see: https://c19study.com/ ) > It was only ever suggested that it might act prophylactically, or in > relief of some early stage symptoms. Decision theory is only useful if you > don't misrepresent the facts.... > What is misrepresented by the table? Either it works or it doesn't. Jason > > Bruce > >> >> The very link you provided says they only cancelled only the late stage >> testing. They are continuing early and prophylactic use tests. >> >> "This decision applies only to the conduct of the Solidarity trial in >> hospitalized patients and does not affect the possible evaluation in other >> studies of hydroxychloroquine or lopinavir/ritonavir in non-hospitalized >> patients or as pre- or post-exposure prophylaxis for COVID-19." >> >> >> Jason >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAFxXSLQcsQkAu08HJMY%2BHN9xG6NDx-vc57o_FoSCLV%3DU2Z70MQ%40mail.gmail.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAFxXSLQcsQkAu08HJMY%2BHN9xG6NDx-vc57o_FoSCLV%3DU2Z70MQ%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CA%2BBCJUjjG7YX3Hq029uyUVcU2HROt7HUrmnfo%2BEL4S7ovexyhg%40mail.gmail.com.
