> On 28 Jun 2020, at 01:32, Lawrence Crowell <[email protected]> > wrote: > > This video is set towards the end so I have not seen the whole presentation. > At the end he gets into the Wigner's friend problem in QM, and there is the > result of Fraschiger and Renner on this that illustrates limits on the idea > of objective observership.
Mechanism implies this. But an important first person plural intersubjective account of the physical reality remains in play. > > A brain to function needs an environment. It must be an open system OK. > A brain or conscious entity that is a closed system is almost a contradiction. That is right, but this does not a closed system to emulate something open and conscious. If not, a physical universe, which is closed by definition, would not been able to sustain any form of consciousness. > Self-awareness is all within the perspective of a relative basis with an > external world. I would say, note the plural, that self-awareness is all within the many perspectives of many relative bases all coming from an external reality (which is just elementary arithmetic, actually). Bruno > > LC > > On Saturday, June 27, 2020 at 12:36:57 PM UTC-5, Jason wrote: > Brent, > > It looks like you were right about the importance of including environmental > data in a brain simulation. Markus Muller uses algorithmic information theory > to argue that whether or not a simulated brain is a zombie or not, depends on > a large extent to the degree in which environmental information is > incorporated into the simulation: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1699&v=wsbNT3XEdsA&t=51m40s > <https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1699&v=wsbNT3XEdsA&t=51m40s> > (See 51 minutes 40 seconds in) > > Jason > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/09762469-698a-4074-b7b0-c016f8155773o%40googlegroups.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/09762469-698a-4074-b7b0-c016f8155773o%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/7C6EB0F0-4FEC-47DA-83A3-7680C702DA53%40ulb.ac.be.
