Ok, a photocell was what they used in the 20's during the 1st wave function tests, if I recall, so no neurons needed.
-----Original Message----- From: Lawrence Crowell <[email protected]> To: Everything List <[email protected]> Sent: Sun, Jun 28, 2020 8:02 am Subject: Re: Importance of including environment in brain simulation On Saturday, June 27, 2020 at 6:44:31 PM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote: I stumbled across a related topic regarding Wigner's friend/Schrodinger's Cat via the observer in QM, in that a traditional cat, not a metaphor would count from physical principle's as an observer itself. This is going way down the observer chain, say, from a Boltzmann Brain of hyper intelligence to a cat. Would a computer system be an observer or a bacteria? Ummmm....? Hey, a BB is indeed a brain sim. I do not think a quantum observerneeds to be any conscious entity at all. All that is required for a system toact as a quantum observer is for the it to couple to a pure quantum state sothe quantum phase of that pure state is completely transferred to the large Nnumber of mixed quantum states composing this system. This serves as the collapse.Further this quantum system with frequency ν will enter this state of affairs ona time scale T << 1/ν and so the system never executes its quantumoscillations. There is no need for a mentally consciousbeing. A biological system, whether a purring cat or a person is a finite non-zerotemperature entity filled with quantum noise due to its thermal properties. Assuch the Schrödinger cat is not possible. There is no way a cat can be ina superposition of states, or at least not the entire thing. LC -----Original Message----- From: Lawrence Crowell <goldenfield...@gmail. com> To: Everything List <everyth...@googlegroups. com> Sent: Sat, Jun 27, 2020 7:32 pm Subject: Re: Importance of including environment in brain simulation This video is set towards the end so I have not seen the whole presentation. At the end he gets into the Wigner's friend problem in QM, and there is the result of Fraschiger and Renner on this that illustrates limits on the idea of objective observership. A brain to function needs an environment. It must be an open system A brain or conscious entity that is a closed system is almost a contradiction. Self-awareness is all within the perspective of a relative basis with an external world. LC On Saturday, June 27, 2020 at 12:36:57 PM UTC-5, Jason wrote: Brent, It looks like you were right about the importance of including environmental data in a brain simulation. Markus Muller uses algorithmic information theory to argue that whether or not a simulated brain is a zombie or not, depends on a large extent to the degree in which environmental information is incorporated into the simulation: https://www.youtube.com/watch? time_continue=1699&v= wsbNT3XEdsA&t=51m40s (See 51 minutes 40 seconds in) Jason -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everyth...@ googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/ msgid/everything-list/ 09762469-698a-4074-b7b0- c016f8155773o%40googlegroups. com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/b4cdd595-12ca-43a8-b290-0f409424b825o%40googlegroups.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/203783356.355555.1593360026413%40mail.yahoo.com.
