> On 14 Jun 2019, at 12:00, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List 
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> Computers don't exist. "Computers" is just an idea in consciousness.

Physical computers are idea in consciousness, but that does not made them not 
existing in some way. 

If not, you are like telling us than the idea in consciousness do not exist.

Now, the non physical computers exist independently of anything. They exist as 
a consequence of 2+2=4 & Co. RA emulates all computations, and PA already prove 
that RA emulates all computations.

Bruno




> 
> On Friday, 14 June 2019 12:10:31 UTC+3, Bruno Marchal wrote:
> 
> Only computers do computing. Programming a computer is not “computing” per 
> se, although it is something which emerges from computations in arithmetic 
> when we assume the mechanist hypothesis. 
> 
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