On Saturday, June 15, 2019 at 3:46:54 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 14 Jun 2019, at 11:36, Philip Thrift <[email protected] <javascript:>> > wrote: > > > > On Friday, June 14, 2019 at 4:08:53 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 13 Jun 2019, at 15:31, Philip Thrift <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Thursday, June 13, 2019 at 7:53:40 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> >>> >>> On 12 Jun 2019, at 11:50, Philip Thrift <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >>> On Wednesday, June 12, 2019 at 2:06:55 AM UTC-5, Cosmin Visan wrote: >>>> >>>> Brain doesn't exist. "Brain" is just an idea in consciousness. >>>> >>> >>> Point out a place where consciousness exists, and there is no brain >>> there. >>> >>> >>> Consciousness does not belong to a category of object having a place, >>> like 2+2=4. The idea of physical place is dreamed by the relative numbers, >>> to be short. This makes sense only if the computational histories ahem the >>> right relative measure, and thanks to the material modes obeying some >>> quantum logic, this makes sense … up to now. >>> >>> Bruno >>> >>> >>> >> I know I can specify where *my consciousness* is, via an address on >> Google or even narrowed down perhaps to GPS coordinates of a 3d box that my >> head is in. >> >> >> What if some physical process in some far away galaxy emulate you, >> exactly in the states you are living right now? >> >> Then, eventually, a notion like “self-location” is “dreamed” by universal >> number in virtue of their arithmetical relations, and this in infinitely >> many computations. The “many world” spect of quantum mechanics is well >> explained (up to now) with that self-multiplication intrinsic to arithmetic >> (or any Turing equivalent reality). >> >> >> >> >> >> Where other's consciousnesses are I guess are traveling through space via >> astral projection. >> >> >> >> With mechanism, planets, stars, atoms and galaxies belongs more plausibly >> to the “head” of the universal numbers. >> >> Bruno >> >> > That there could be a (approximately-enough) "Phil" molecule-for-molecule > copy out there is a heady thought. > > > Very elementary arithmetic, or the Universal Dovetailer, emulates all > computations, even ridiculous things like an emulation of the Heisenberg > matrices of our cluster of galaxies at the place level with 10^(10^100), or > any (big) number, of decimals. > Now, this can be shown to have a measure nul, very plausibly, compared to > all other simulation of our histories, but those things exists “out there”, > by which I mean: in the arithmetical reality. “Out there” cannot mean “in a > physical universe” once we assume Digital Mechanism. > > Bruno > > > It still isn't clear what "assume Digital Mechanism" means.
A Digital Mechanism is something that can be modeled by a Turing Machine. But as you point out, arithmetic, consciousness, matter cannot be modeled by Turing Machine. @philipthrift -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/e0380d2f-161b-4214-bbea-eb470ca0f597%40googlegroups.com.
