On Monday, May 20, 2019 at 10:03:12 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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>
> On 18 May 2019, at 00:33, Philip Thrift <[email protected] <javascript:>>
> wrote:
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> Isn't *qualia can be reduced to information processing* the unsupported
> assertion?
>
> The burden of proof is on those who claim qualia comes out of information
> processing.
>
> If that claim were true, then any IP system - like a smartphone that can
> execute programs - can have human-type qualia existing inside it.
>
>
> It is not because some “information processing” could support
> consciousness that we can conclude that all information processing can
> support consciousness. You need at least one reflexive loop. You need two
> reflexive loop for having self-consciousness (Löbianity).
>
> But the information processing is not enough, you need a reality, also, be
> it the arithmetical truth, or a physical phenomenologies which would be
> Turing universal.
>
> The arithmetical truth must be understood as something beyond all
> information processing possible, as we know since Gödel and Tarski.
>
> The advantage of mechanism is that we do have a theory: computer science
> (aka Recrusion theory, or Arithmetic).
>
> That does not make Mechanism true, but it makes the problems amenable to
> mathematical formulation and testing.
>
> Bruno
>
>
A smartphone CPU, like Samsung's
https://www.anandtech.com/show/13599/samsung-announces-8nm-exynos-9820-with-trigroup-cpu-design
can run any "Turing" program.
So I still don't see from your description what exactly is missing for it
to produce|execute human qualia?
@philipthrift
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