> On 13 May 2019, at 20:24, Philip Thrift <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On Monday, May 13, 2019 at 12:25:38 PM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 10 May 2019, at 09:12, Philip Thrift <[email protected] <javascript:>> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> When someone says "consciousness is not a material thing" I think of Wile E. >> Coyote. >> >> Consciousnesses need something (matter) to hang on to. Consciousnesses just >> don't go floating around willy-nilly. The Coyote finds that out when he >> finds out he is hanging on to nothing, and looks down. > > > That is nice Aristotelian poetry. But you just repeat you ontological > commitment in a material world, where no physicist has a consistent theory of > it, nor even have tried to test its existence. What the Aspect experience has > only shown, is that IF there is a physicaly reality then it can’t be a > boolean reality (which would have already annoyed Aristotle). > > Then with Mechanism, “Matter” invocation needs to add some magic incompatible > with YD+CT. > It is like invoking a God to impeach testing simpler theories which do not > commit a so strong ontological commitment. > > Bruno > > > I was shooting for Epicurean poetry (or Lucretian; Lucretius's De rerum > natura [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_rerum_natura > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_rerum_natura> ] was a poem about the > philosophy of Epicurus). > > Aristotle's philosophy is confused nonsense, especially when compared to > Epicurus’s.
This is weird. I appreciate Aristotle, because it is rather clear, and enough precise to be refuted, with in the natural science and the theology. I tend to consider him as the inventor of the notion of primitive matter, that is the first which postulate the existence of a physical universe (in metaphysics), but that is also the only place where he get confused (his metaphysics). As a materialist (a “believer in matter”) it is astonishing you don’t appreciate Aristotle. He is really the one who got the idea that “God” is a physical universe, even if he add the chiquenaude divine to create the first move. Bruno > > @philipthrift > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/b0f3ab8f-d71f-4beb-bdad-a4fdb2dd2e13%40googlegroups.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/b0f3ab8f-d71f-4beb-bdad-a4fdb2dd2e13%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/1F49FAEA-13E7-4791-A38B-8A0DB4F02AB9%40ulb.ac.be.
