On Monday, May 13, 2019 at 12:25:38 PM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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> On 10 May 2019, at 09:12, Philip Thrift <[email protected] <javascript:>> 
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> When someone says "consciousness is not a material thing" I think of Wile 
> E. Coyote.
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> Consciousnesses need something (matter) to hang on to. Consciousnesses 
> just don't go floating around willy-nilly. The Coyote finds that out when 
> he finds out he is hanging on to nothing, and looks down. 
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> That is nice Aristotelian poetry. But you just repeat you ontological 
> commitment in a material world, where no physicist has a consistent theory 
> of it, nor even have tried to test its existence. What the Aspect 
> experience has only shown, is that IF there is a physicaly reality then it 
> can’t be a boolean reality (which would have already annoyed Aristotle).
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> Then with Mechanism, “Matter” invocation needs to add some magic 
> incompatible with YD+CT.
> It is like invoking a God to impeach testing simpler theories which do not 
> commit a so strong ontological commitment.
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> Bruno
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I was shooting for Epicurean poetry (or Lucretian; Lucretius's *De rerum 
natur*a [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_rerum_natura ] was a poem about 
the philosophy of Epicurus).

Aristotle's philosophy is *confused nonsense*, especially when compared to 
Epicurus's.

@philipthrift
 

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