On Friday, March 14, 2014 9:50:17 AM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote: > > > On Friday, March 14, 2014 2:12:15 AM UTC, Craig Weinberg wrote: >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZH2QXQu-HGE >> >> A brief, handy rebuttal to materialistic views of consciousness. I would >> go further, and say that information, even though it is immaterial in its >> conception, is still derived from the principles of object interaction. >> Even when forms and functions are divorced from any particular physical >> substance, they are still tethered to the third person omniscient view - >> artifacts of communication *about* rather *appreciation of*. Real >> experiences are not valued just because they inform us about something or >> other, they are valued because of their intrinsic aesthetic and semantic >> content. It’s not even content, it is the experience itself. Information >> must be made evident through sensory participation, or it is nothing at all. >> > > I don't know what the materialistic view is, but consciousness is going to > phenomenon of the material in the brain, and its evolution will be as an > extension of the same general dynamics of evolution, much of which repeats > and patterns. >
Can you say that there can be dynamics and pattern without consciousness though? How is consciousness different than what would be required for patterns to exist? > There's always a chance its extra dimensional or spiritual, or in need of > a new kind of thinking that brings theology into play, or god. Or maybe > Bruno's 'discovery' that it cannot be be discovered. That's always > available. Always has been. Was a time chemistry was undiscoverable. > Science is the story of discovering the undiscoverable. > > I think the story is at risk of coming to an end. Not because it had to, > but because the line of the road was lost. It's not just the way frontier > science has gone the last 50 years. It's also what's happened in the > Western society. Destructive forces have been in play. Sadly the West was > lost to them. As things stand it's hard to see the turn around. Will take > heroes like never before. I'd call it a day...if it wasn't the West. They > discovered science and other miracles from among them. Maybe from among > them they'll produce the heroes that will save this day. > Sure, or maybe the heroism will go another way instead - with many people withdrawing their support from what the world has become? Cragi -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
