Hi Russell Standish I apologize for using two different concepts of creation of structure from randomness.
There are two types of creation of structure: by life, where there is an agent or self to create things, and by a computer program, where creation is mechanical. Self-organization is purely mechanical and does not require nor does it have a self. It just uses a computer program written elsewhere. But photosynthesis is by a living cell entity. The organization of light into cell structure is not self-organization, which is purely mechanical. Roger Clough, [email protected] 10/18/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen ----- Receiving the following content ----- From: Russell Standish Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-10-17, 17:39:38 Subject: Re: Why self-organization programs cannot be alive On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 06:54:31AM -0400, Roger Clough wrote: > Hi Russell Standish > > Creating structure out of a random environment > requires intelligence, the ability to make choices > on one's own. Self-organization does not have > that capacity, it merely follows a computer program. > So self-organization programs cannot be alive, > having no intelligence and no free will. In short, > they have no self. Instead, they are slaved to a computer > programmer. > This is confusing. How do you explain how self-organisation creates structure from initially disordered states? In the first sentence, you claim this requires intelligence. In the second sentence, you claim self-organisation is not. This is a contradiction. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Prof Russell Standish Phone 0425 253119 (mobile) Principal, High Performance Coders Visiting Professor of Mathematics [email protected] University of New South Wales http://www.hpcoders.com.au ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
