On 11 Sep 2012, at 15:09, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Craig Weinberg
But the universe IS created.
I believe that Satan wrote the Koran, but not the Bible,
for the Bible asks us to love
Lovable entities are loved without asking.
Asking someone to love someone is giving someone an impossible task.
and forgive each other.
Only your victim can forgive you, and only if you can show sincere
remorse.
Writing that would burn the Devil's fingers.
So the koran seems to omit the part about loving
and forgiving each other.
Hmm... you (unwillingly) supports the idea that Satan wrote the bible,
I'm afraid.
Those texts are human texts, and the ideas sleeping there have to be
studied with some distances and cautiousness. Here you are just
insulting many people unecessarily, and perhaps on a more complex
point than you thought. Who really can *ask* for love, if only a non
lovable entity?
In some reality God send in Hell only, and all, those who ask for
forgiveness, as it is a confession of sin.
The protegorian virtue can be taught only by practices, illustrations
and examples, and died through discourses, institutionalization,
normativity, traditions (?), etc. (I am less sure for tradition, as it
can incarnate spectacles and memories of examples, but too much
repetitions make the sense sleepy).
Bruno
Roger Clough, [email protected]
9/11/2012
Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him
so that everything could function."
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Time: 2012-09-11, 08:52:16
Subject: Re: Re: What must the perceiver be like?
Hi Roger,
On Tuesday, September 11, 2012 8:36:47 AM UTC-4, rclough wrote:
Hi Craig Weinberg
The Creator is not created. So no problem.
Why not just say The Universe is not created. So no problem?
What does the idea of an uncreated Creator add that has any
explanatory power? Would the idea of a Creator seem obvious if the
Bible didn't exist?
What if you found out that the Bible was actually written by
people's demons who mixed truth with lies over centuries to cause
confusion, oppression, and cruelty. If I were Satan, why wouldn't I
tell people that I am God and make them write a book which causes
fear, superstition, and misery (even if the cost is that it has some
very good side effects as well)? Not to suggest that you doubt your
faith, but logically, the idea of a Bible seems contrary to the
purposes of a Creator who endows his creations with direct
capacities to make sense of his creation (including themselves).
Does he want us to know he exists or doesn't he? If so, why write a
bunch of crazy ambiguous scriptures that vary from place to place?
If not, why allow such blasphemous confusions to thrive?
Craig
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