On Tuesday, September 11, 2012 10:06:18 AM UTC-4, rclough wrote: > > Hi Craig Weinberg > > You're certainly welcome to your beliefs. > > OK, I was wrong about forgiving your neighbor, > but I don't think that the Koran asks you to love your neighbor. >
"Worship Allah and join none with him (in worship); and do good to parents, kinsfolk, orphans, the poor, the neighbor who is near of kin, the neighbor who is stranger, the companion by your side, ... "[ Quran, chapter 4, verse 36] Loving your neighbor is not about sending Valentines to strangers, it's just about not being prejudiced. It's the timeless wisdom of the Golden Rule - 'don't forget that other people are just like you and you are just like them.'. It's basically a summary of Liberal Socialism. Craig > > Yes, I've travelled a lot. > > > Roger Clough, [email protected] <javascript:> > 9/11/2012 > Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him > so that everything could function." > > ----- Receiving the following content ----- > *From:* Craig Weinberg <javascript:> > *Receiver:* everything-list <javascript:> > *Time:* 2012-09-11, 09:48:04 > *Subject:* Re: Re: Re: What must the perceiver be like? > > > > On Tuesday, September 11, 2012 9:10:46 AM UTC-4, rclough wrote: >> >> Hi Craig Weinberg >> >> But the universe IS created. >> > > I can say that God IS created too. Here goes: God IS created. > > Whatever created the universe would have to also be the universe, or an > arbitrary conceptual partition thereof. > > >> >> I believe that Satan wrote the Koran, but not the Bible, >> > > Hahahaha. Well that works out nicely for you then. No cognitive bias there. > > > >> for the Bible asks us to love and forgive each other. >> Writing that would burn the Devil's fingers. >> > > Haha, why, because malicious predators aren't allowed to suggest that > their prey be meek and mild? You don't think this message would come in > handy in Bronze Age societies for establishing political order under a > priesthood class on behalf of military leaders? Is the Devil a wolf that is > forbidden to wear sheep's clothing? You think that the Devil could tempt > and lie to people by announcing that he is the Devil? If I were the Devil, > I would be most interested in recruiting priests, police, judges, teachers, > politicians, businessmen, etc. What would be the point of tempting > degenerate sinners who I already own? > > >> So the koran seems to omit the part about loving >> and forgiving each other. >> > > Does it? I haven't read the Koran. A brief Googling reveals: > > > 锟斤拷. But if you pardon and exonerate and forgive, Allah is Ever-Forgiving, > Most Merciful.� [Qur锟�n, 64: 14] > > 锟�old to forgiveness, command what is right, and turn away from the > ignorant.� [Qur锟�n, 7:199] > > 锟斤拷 They should rather pardon and overlook. Would you not love Allah to > forgive you? Allah is Ever-Forgiving, Most Merciful.� [Qur锟�n, 24:22] > > Have you traveled much Roger? I think it makes it easier to see how biased > our minds are by default just from being in the same place around the same > kinds of people. > > Craig > > >> >> >> Roger Clough, [email protected] >> 9/11/2012 >> Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him >> so that everything could function." >> >> ----- Receiving the following content ----- >> *From:* Craig Weinberg >> *Receiver:* everything-list >> *Time:* 2012-09-11, 08:52:16 >> *Subject:* Re: Re: What must the perceiver be like? >> >> Hi Roger, >> >> On Tuesday, September 11, 2012 8:36:47 AM UTC-4, rclough wrote: >>> >>> Hi Craig Weinberg >>> >>> The Creator is not created. So no problem. >>> >> >> Why not just say The Universe is not created. So no problem? >> >> What does the idea of an uncreated Creator add that has any explanatory >> power? Would the idea of a Creator seem obvious if the Bible didn't exist? >> >> What if you found out that the Bible was actually written by people's >> demons who mixed truth with lies over centuries to cause confusion, >> oppression, and cruelty. If I were Satan, why wouldn't I tell people that I >> am God and make them write a book which causes fear, superstition, and >> misery (even if the cost is that it has some very good side effects as >> well)? Not to suggest that you doubt your faith, but logically, the idea of >> a Bible seems contrary to the purposes of a Creator who endows his >> creations with direct capacities to make sense of his creation (including >> themselves). Does he want us to know he exists or doesn't he? If so, why >> write a bunch of crazy ambiguous scriptures that vary from place to place? >> If not, why allow such blasphemous confusions to thrive? >> >> Craig >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/everything-list/-/s2L3GTGAPpgJ. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. >> >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/everything-list/-/81MGgWxT2k0J. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]<javascript:> > . > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected] <javascript:>. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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