On Wednesday, June 4, 2025 at 12:17:40 AM UTC-6 Brent Meeker wrote:
On 6/3/2025 11:00 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: On Tuesday, June 3, 2025 at 11:33:26 PM UTC-6 Brent Meeker wrote: On 6/3/2025 10:05 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: On Tuesday, June 3, 2025 at 10:46:58 PM UTC-6 Brent Meeker wrote: On 6/3/2025 8:53 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: On Tuesday, June 3, 2025 at 9:42:30 PM UTC-6 Brent Meeker wrote: On 6/3/2025 3:25 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: *OK, let's split hairs. If "assumed" means zero evidence for a muon's clock, then "inferred" is better IF you believe a muon has some structure for defining a clock. OTOH, if a muon has no such structure, then it's OK to "assume" the existence of the clock. * *IF* you *assume* a clock requires some internal structure. *But instead of splitting hairs, how about a description of the structure of a muon's clock? * So you want to *assume* that the muon can't keep time just by moving thru spacetime, but requires some structure. Do you have a proof or is this mere surmise? *It's a surmise, not a mere surmise, based on clocks I am familiar with. You're the relativity expert. You teach the masses. What's your concept of time keeping by a muon? AG* *And if that clock shows no time dilation within the muon's frame of reference, how would that FACT effect its half-life? AG* I guess that would show that it wasn't *the* clock that determines the muon's decay. *So what clock does it, if any? AG * *I don't know. But it must that something to do with the mass of the muon, the electron, and neutrino and the coupling of the neutrino, muon, and electron fields since a muon decays into and electron and a anti-neutrino. Brent* *I don't see how those factors would effect the muon's half-life. I appreciate your honesty. I suspect the issue I have raised is unsolved, and this is what troubles me about Relativity. AG* *Why are you troubled by lack of a model. Inertia is a farm more common phenomenon, but you're untroubled by it. Why...I suspect because you have lots of experience of inertia. Well scientists, particularly particle physicists have lots of experience of relativistic time dilation. Brent* *Why should I be troubled by inertia? It's easily understood. * Then perhaps you can explain why a muon has about 200x the inertia of an electron? And why inertia and gravity are always proportional? Brent *It's caused by its larger mass, about 200x, compared to the electron. The statement of Inertia, what it is, is easy to grasp. However, many experimental findings of physics are not physically grounded, that is, understood, so why do you expect me to answer your questions? In physics, there's too much bluster about what is known, and too little is grounded in physical reality. AG * *But the change in half-life of muons is hardly understood, and I am not going off on some wrong track here. You think it's OK to shut up and calculate, and sweep the real issue under the proverbial rug. AG* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/7d841a86-ee1f-4760-a93f-89d70d51161cn%40googlegroups.com.
