On 6/3/2025 9:04 PM, Alan Grayson wrote:
You seem to have lost the point. We're not discussing why time dilation occurs. It's obviously not a matter of "contact" between frames; but it's also beside the point. The point is that whatever is responsible for muons having a particular half-life when stationary, changes with speed exactly the same way clocks change with speed. It's a point of evidence for muons having the same physical relation to time as clocks.On Tuesday, June 3, 2025 at 9:57:05 PM UTC-6 Brent Meeker wrote: On 6/3/2025 5:52 PM, Alan Grayson wrote:On Tuesday, June 3, 2025 at 6:29:49 PM UTC-6 Brent Meeker wrote: On 6/3/2025 2:05 AM, Alan Grayson wrote:On Monday, June 2, 2025 at 9:50:54 PM UTC-6 Alan Grayson wrote: On Monday, June 2, 2025 at 9:14:49 PM UTC-6 Brent Meeker wrote: On 6/2/2025 6:48 PM, Alan Grayson wrote:On Monday, June 2, 2025 at 7:14:47 PM UTC-6 Brent Meeker wrote: And you are too susceptible to casually assuming you understand the familiar just because it's familiar. Your alarm clock measures time by the oscillations of a wheel, which depend on the inertia of the wheel. Do you understand "the reality of that inertia"? Brent You'd be in a much better position to defend Clark if either of you could define the clock inherent in a muon, but you don't seem able to meet that challenge. AGI think John can take care of himself. If muon's don't have an inherent clock, how do they know when to decay? Brent You're assuming they have a clock, but avoid describing its form, or how it reads the time, if it reads the time. So many things assumed but no answers in sight. AG I suppose you were referring to the atmosphere producing an anti-inertial effect on the muons, but what's lacking is an explanation, or if you like MODEL, of how that effects the half-life of those particles.Do you have a model of how relativistic motion makes a wrist watch run slower? Brent In the frame wherein you allege the wrist watch is running slower, it isn't. In some other frame, moving at constant velocity wrt that wrist watch, it appears to be running slower. Which watch should we pay attention to? AGThe one in the frame where the muons run slower. BrentThat would have been my guess, but it makes no sense. How would a muon have contact with another frame as the observer, in which its clocks seem to tick at a lower rate? AG
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