The car controls the supercharger. When Tesla disables it on a car they connect to your car over the cell network and remove the option for the car's config that lives in the gateway. They obviously didn't have your permission to do this, so they are technically breaking the law.
It would be fine if they wanted to block it at the supercharger, but that's not how they implemented it. All I do is restore the factory configuration, and the car will supercharge again. I've done literally thousands of cars all over the world, and as far as I've heard they are all still working. No, sadly you can't use Falcon's bundle of wires on your older S. That's only for Model 3/Y from 2017 to 2021 to retrofit the newer 2021+ charge port ECU with the PLC modem that supports CCS. You would be able to use the CHAdeMO adapter or a 3rd party CCS adapter (junk) if you wanted to after we restored DCFC. On Mon, Apr 24, 2023 at 8:30 PM Cor van de Water <cor.vandewa...@gmail.com> wrote: > Interesting. > I deliberately retained the original computers, to facilitate upgrades ;) > Would the Supercharging network not reject my car, or are you talking > about re-enabling the public DCFC on it? > I believe a former colleague of mine "Falcon" is selling a bundle of wires > to assist with this as well ;) > What is it you are offering exactly? > BTW, removed EVDL in case you don't want this all over the list, feel free > to re-add. > Cor > Sunnyvale > > On Mon, Apr 24, 2023, 7:58 PM (-Phil-) <p...@ingineerix.com> wrote: > >> I can probably restore supercharging on that Model S. It originally >> came with unlimited supercharging, so that would be a great enhancement to >> its value. >> >> On Mon, Apr 24, 2023 at 6:57 PM Cor van de Water via EV < >> ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: >> >>> Paul wrote: "I suspect you got your vehicle way below market value." >>> Not sure - it was listed on Craigslist (I always buy private) so >>> anyone was able to make an offer, mine was just the first to be >>> accepted, so I think it was market value. >>> But then - what is market value for a 2013 S85 w dual charger >>> (original $94k) that is now salvage, has lost Supercharging, has a bad >>> battery (only bottom 15% available, range indication 37mi) needs work >>> on 3 door handles, has a shattered left rear quarter window, loose >>> front bumper cover, cosmetic damage to right rear fender, rear bumper >>> and hatch? 120k mi. Tell me your estimation and I will tell you if I >>> paid that or it was under market value. I spent $200 and many hours on >>> replacing a battery module (bought a 2013 module for $1k and sold the >>> *Tesla refurbished but unbalanced* 2012 module for $800; replaced the >>> module myself), bought and replaced the window (ignoring the cost for >>> a tube of goop), bought 3 stainless steel gears for the failing door >>> handle presenters and bolted down the front bumper cover. The cosmetic >>> damage is still there, but I now have a 230mi salvage but wonderfully >>> driving vehicle, still with cosmetic damage and only capable of >>> charging at max 20kW (240V 80A AC) so normally only 11.5kW (48A). >>> Though I will likely sell it this summer as I have too many EVs >>> Cor. >>> >>> On Mon, Apr 24, 2023 at 3:52 PM paul dove via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> >>> wrote: >>> > >>> > Yes, that would be if you exclusively charged at superchargers. >>> > I have never done that I would guess most people charge at home >>> because of convenience. >>> > My supercharging is less that 20% of my charging. >>> > I suspect you got your vehicle way below market value. >>> > On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 03:45:32 PM CDT, Cor van de Water via >>> EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: >>> > >>> > In my PG&E service area, once you are over baseline consumption the >>> > minimum charge is $0.35 per kWh. So for me that charge would be well >>> > over a grand per year. >>> > My 2013 S used to have unlimited free supercharging, but the previous >>> > owner had a fender bender on the right rear quarter panel and as >>> > result, Tesla disabled all DC Fast Charging. >>> > This means that even the CHAdeMO converter that was bought for the car >>> > is now useless. >>> > Luckily I am an experienced EV'er so I always plan ahead and almost >>> > never need public charging anyway, but last year the wife and I were >>> > planning a 350 mi one way trip (Bay Area to LA) and despite having an >>> > abundance of DC Fast Charge to choose from along the 5 Freeway, we >>> > were looking at a minimum 1.5 hours stop for AC slow-ish charging >>> > (hopefully 48A because my S has the dual charger and can go up to 80A >>> > despite no public charger of that speed is available). Minimum 1.5h, >>> > which I would only reach if I drive constant 55MPH (and no Airco) on >>> > the I-5 which can be... hairy because ALL traffic is going 70+ there. >>> > I have considered pestering Tesla to *at least* re-enable DC Fast >>> > Charging, even if I can't use the Supercharging network, but I heard >>> > from others that Tesla's method of disabling Supercharging is by >>> > turning DCFC off in the car, which is... stupid and unnecessary, I am >>> > *sure* that the Supercharging network can identify cars - how else can >>> > they enable other cars to start using their Superchargers? >>> > Unhappily yours, >>> > Cor. >>> > >>> > On Mon, Apr 24, 2023 at 1:27 PM paul dove via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> >>> wrote: >>> > > >>> > > Interesting article. >>> > > I have a Model S with unlimited supercharging and I have never heard >>> of this offer. >>> > > So, how exactly is Tesla trying to get us to give up free >>> supercharging? >>> > > It appears that it is an incentive to try and sell new cars which >>> don't have free supercharging rather than a ploy to take it away from >>> current owners. >>> > > Especially since the only way one would know of it is if they were >>> shopping for a new Tesla. >>> > > They removed free supercharging years ago as an option. >>> > > I doubt it swayed many people to upgrade that weren't already in the >>> market especially because like the article said it was only on a trade-in >>> and everyone knows you can get more for your vehicle if you sell it >>> yourself..... though maybe not $5000 so you might consider a trade in for >>> ease if you aren't losing money. >>> > > To be honest though, unless you drive a lot it doesn't save much to >>> have free supercharging. >>> > > I used 3561 Kwh in the last 12 months. I pay $0.11 a kwh at home and >>> I believe the same at a supercharger in my area. >>> > > So, roughly $400 a year. Even if you double that to $800 a year it >>> takes a long time to get to $5000. >>> > > Plus it says they were offering 6 years free supercharging to boot. >>> > > I don't see how this is in any way a negative but just extra >>> incentive to upgrade if you were looking to...... >>> > > >>> > > On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 11:18:44 AM CDT, EV List Lackey via >>> EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: >>> > > >>> > > Tesla tries to get owners to give up `unlimited free Supercharging >>> for life´ >>> > > >>> > > Fred Lambert | Apr 24 2023 - 12:25 am PT >>> > > >>> > > "Tesla is trying again to get owners of older Model S and Model X >>> with >>> > > unlimited free Supercharging for life to give up the perk ... >>> > > >>> > > "Current Tesla Model S or Model X owners with active unlimited free >>> > > Supercharging are eligible for 6 years of unlimited Supercharging. To >>> > > qualify, owners must trade in or remove unlimited Supercharging from >>> their >>> > > vehicle and take delivery of a new Model S or Model X by June 30, >>> 2023 ... >>> > > >>> > > "It´s interesting that Tesla is just now trying hard to get people >>> off of >>> > > the unlimited free Supercharging just as it appears to try to make >>> > > Supercharging a profit center - something it originally said it >>> wouldn´t do. >>> > > >>> > > "With non-Tesla EV drivers now getting access to the network, it >>> looks like >>> > > Tesla is now looking to see what the Supercharger network would look >>> like as >>> > > a full-scale money-making charging network." >>> > > >>> > > Complete article: >>> > > >>> > > >>> https://electrek.co/2023/04/24/tesla-triesowners-give-up-unlimited-free- >>> > > supercharging-for-life/ >>> > > >>> > > or https://v.gd/vBwnXc >>> > > >>> > > David Roden, EVDL moderator & general lackey >>> > > >>> > > To reach me, don't reply to this message; I won't get it. 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