I think you are being a little bit pessimistic. I have a 2017 Bolt. In August I had the recall replacement battery installed. I charged it to full overnight and took it for an out and back ride. I drove it 253 miles using 59.3Kwh (both using the on-board instrumentation). I mostly drove at 65mph (again using on-board instrumentation) using cruise control.
Obviously, driving 65mph doesn’t degrade an expectation of 250 mile range. 70mph might have some degradation, but I don’t think it will be as much as you claim. I do not know (and probably never will) how much cold weather will affect range. I think if you don’t really want to purchase an EV like the Bolt, you can invent plenty of issues to back your decision. It won’t be long before EVs are even better than the Bolt, maybe not for the price, but I’m sure at that time the bar can be raised again so these new vehicles will not be acceptable either. I struggled for a long time (I had an EVPlus not an EV1, but was still annoyed at GM) before getting rid of my 2011 Leaf and buying the Bolt. The Leaf still met my needs, but I wanted to do what I could to demonstrate a market for such a vehicle. Ed > On Nov 12, 2022, at 12:10 PM, Peri Hartman via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: > > Practical ... let's see. > > At 32F, I'm assuming the bolt will get about 10% less range (I found a few > reports and that seems to be a reasonable guess). At 70mph, take off another > 20%. That means a 250 mile battery becomes 175 miles. Keep a buffer of 25 > miles so that one doesn't get range anxiety, that's 150 miles. And that's not > counting battery degregation. > > So, 150 miles at 70 mph is a about 2h15 hours. Let's say 2h30 just for > allowances. So, with one charge, you could travel 150 + 80% * 150 = 270 > miles. That trip would take 2h30 + 1h20 + 80% * 2h30 = 5h50. I can accept > that. > > But now let's say I want to go 300 miles. I need another charge to go another > 30 miles. That would be a stop for 30/150 miles * 1h20 = 15 minutes, assuming > charge times are linear (they aren't). So, 300 miles would take > 5h50 + 0h15 + 30/70mph = approx 6h30. > > Normally, I would make only one stop for about an hour for a trip of 300 > miles. Using the same metric as above, 150 miles in 2h30, that would be 5 > hours + 1 hour rest = 6 hours. I guess that's really not too bad - only 30 > minutes longer. > > Ok, the bolt EV is worth a consideration. And, of course, in better weather, > that second stop for 300 miles goes away, at least while the battery is new. > > Peri > > > << Annoyed by leaf blowers ? https://quietcleanseattle.org/ >> > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "EV List Lackey via EV" <ev@lists.evdl.org> > To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.evdl.org> > Cc: "EV List Lackey" <evp...@drmm.net> > Sent: 12-Nov-22 10:20:54 > Subject: Re: [EVDL] Leaf battery replacement ? > >>> On 12 Nov 2022 at 16:37, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: >>> >>> The Bolt EV is close, but I think it's charge time is about 1h 20, which >>> makes >>> it impractical for road trips. >> >> I guess that would depend on your definition of "practical," and how long >> the trip is, and thus how many charging sessions are required. When last I >> looked, the Bolt's price - under $26k! - was tough to pass up. That is just >> astounding for a 259 mile range. The difference between that and, say, a >> Tesla 3, would buy a heck of a lot of road trip ICEV rentals. >> >> As for waiting for something better, yeah, that's a strategy. It depends >> though on what you want. You'd need to be OK with expensive SUVs and >> crossovers, because that's just about all the automakers seem to be >> introducing and have plans to introduce. They don't want to sell small, >> practical, reasonably-priced EVs any more than they want to sell small, >> practical, reasonably-priced ICEVs. >> >> David Roden, EVDL moderator & general lackey >> >> To reach me, don't reply to this message; I won't get it. Use my >> offlist address here : http://evdl.org/help/index.html#supt >> >> = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = >> I found one day in school a boy of medium size ill-treating >> a smaller boy. I expostulated, but he replied: "The bigs hit >> me, so I hit the babies; that's fair." In these words he >> epitomized the history of the human race. >> >> -- Bertrand Russell, "Education and the Social Order" >> = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org >> No other addresses in TO and CC fields >> HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/ >> > > _______________________________________________ > Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org > No other addresses in TO and CC fields > HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/ > > _______________________________________________ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/
