Instead of wasting what is generated, can some of this RE be used for other things? Farming comes to mind. Commercial fishing. Wool cloth manufacturing. Will we end up regulating our lives by the sun cycles and energy generated?
What do we do or can do in the spring, Summer, and fall months that we don't ordinarily do in the late fall, winter, and early spring months? We are a long ways off on any of this but instead of limiting RE, we might want to find ways of harnessing this energy. We might find that we work with the utilities where they "rent" space on our roofs for panels and have the ability to turn the panels and/or battery storage arrays on and off as needed. Maybe with our satellites we can sense cloud cover and what it will do to RE generation to the point that panels can be turned on and off almost automatically to keep the grid stable. With that, the power generation companies would become energy distribution and control companies in partnership with the citizens and shareholders. I can see them buying and maintaining battery storage arrays so we, as average citizens, don't have to purchase and maintain "power walls" but support similar structures as Tesla's battery banks in Australia. If we do have "power walls", we will have to be independent of the grid or allow some type of control from the energy companies so the grid remains stable. Just some ideas that have probably been thought of before. "When you shoot from the hip, make sure your gun clears the holster first." - Sam "[W]hole Foot" Johnston On Wed, Sep 1, 2021 at 11:04 AM Michael Ross via EV <[email protected]> wrote: > > RE oversupply implies discounting RE > power. Whatever distortions that are applied will have to be paid for, by > customers probably, because stockholders are rarely penalized. > > It is also possible that RE power is actually less costly, then the penalty > gets paid by the customers of the non-RE generators/aggregaters. > > Somebody pays that is certain. Plenty of RE is long term less costly to > produce than, nukes and fossils. A well built and operated solar facility > can be very competitive. But again there are often subsidies baked in that > have enduring but hard to see effects. > > I'm not knowledgeable about wind. Presumably they can compete as well, or > the difference is being made up in tax breaks, credits etc. > > My main point is someone does pay, even if a facility is run at less than > optimal output. It is often hidden. > > > On Tue, Aug 31, 2021, 10:50 PM EVDL Administrator via EV <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > On 31 Aug 2021 at 21:55, Michael Ross via EV wrote: > > > > > My first guess is CA has distorted the market with subsidies, etc. It is > > > likely a pendulum swing, the asking price will have to come down. Supply > > > greater than demand. Some one is going to get some electrons below cost. > > > > Again I'm speaking out of relative ignorance, not having exhaustively > > researched the California energy situation. However one would think that > > the utilities aren't apt to buy more RE than they're required to, > > especially > > if it costs more than brown energy. > > > > So one solution to RE oversupply would be for the California legislature > > to > > generate demand by raising the required percentage of RE in the grid, no? > > > > And, again, using that excess RE to charge EVs should be a winner all > > round. > > > > However, I'm throwing darts in the dark here, so it'd be great to hear > > from > > someone more familiar with the situation. > > > > David Roden, EVDL moderator & general lackey > > > > To reach me, don't reply to this message; I won't get it. Use my > > offlist address here : http://evdl.org/help/index.html#supt > > > > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > > What has allowed so many psychopathic personalities to rise > > so high in corporations, and now in government, is that they > > are so decisive. 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