If you take a longer view, SoCal has an excess of non-RE power that needs to be shipped pretty far away.
If climate change remediation is going to really happen we need to fill the status quo. The consumers will pay one way or another, with increasingly poor climate outcomes, and all the cost that will bring, or with money to apply more RE. On Wed, Sep 1, 2021, 11:53 AM Peri Hartman via EV <[email protected]> wrote: > Michael, I don't follow you. If, for example, southern cali has excess > PV generation, it will need to ship that energy somewhere pretty far > away, say oregon or washington. That would require a pretty substantial > transmission line. I don't think the existing lines are sufficient. The > market is there but the infrastructure is not, so they shut down the > PVs. > > Peri > > << Annoyed by leaf blowers ? https://quietcleanseattle.org/ >> > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "Michael Ross" <[email protected]> > To: "Peri Hartman" <[email protected]>; "Electric Vehicle Discussion > List" <[email protected]> > Sent: 01-Sep-21 08:40:44 > Subject: Re: [EVDL] LIVE stream 8/31/21 1540 PST A physicist consultant > to power utilities on how the EV mass adoption is affecting the > > >"that the grid can't handle" is just another example of market > >distortion. It is a choice of the market, not to say "the grid can't > >handle so much generation of non-RE." > > > >There is a lag in response of the market when you build a gas plant or > >a nuke that can't be turned down when the cost leans toward RE. A > >decades long distortion. > > > >Again the consumer pays. Because this lost flexibility is cooked in The > >gain of economy of scale a maybe archaic large generation facility has > >a hidden cost of preventing cleaner less costly, more flexible, but > >weirdly time constrained RE generation. > > > >I think H2 might be useful as a storage medium. Lots of inefficiency, > >but on a large scale it has merit. Better than turning down or shutting > >off a clean cheap generation means. > > > >On Wed, Sep 1, 2021, 10:22 AM Peri Hartman via EV <[email protected]> > >wrote: > >>It could be that the grid can't handle any significant generation of > >>PV > >>energy. If it could, economics would dictate that excess PV energy > >>would > >>be sold, not shut down. > >> > >>The other possibility is this will produce an incentive to create > >>hydrogen storage for excess PV energy. In my opinion, that's an > >>excellent use for electrolysis plus either hydrogen turbines or fuel > >>cells. Note, for this application, the hydrogen does not need to be > >>compressed. > >> > >>Peri > >> > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>Address messages to [email protected] > >>No other addresses in TO and CC fields > >>UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > >>ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ > >>LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20210901/54e8aca4/attachment.html > > > _______________________________________________ > Address messages to [email protected] > No other addresses in TO and CC fields > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ > LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20210901/5343bac1/attachment.html> _______________________________________________ Address messages to [email protected] No other addresses in TO and CC fields UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org
